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  •  No Evidence Pope JP was Murdered Unless (4+ / 0-)
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    we are to believe that everyone who dies without an autopsy being conducted and all of that deceased's medicine bottles were not tested for poison were also murdered.  So using the same evidence presented showing the Pope was murdered, we can conclude that there are millions of people being murdered in this country every year who's deaths were officially listed as being caused by natural causes.  Either that, or the facts presented are extremely weak evidence of murder.      

    Shit, if every one of Pope Pj's medicince bottles were tested for poison, and none was found, one could switch the posion claim to one of his favorite foods or claim poison gas was pumped into his bedroom at night.  Or why don't we go full absurd and claim aliens from another planet, or maybe the Easter Bunny killed him?  

    In sum, you can make up anything you wish, because there is no evidence a rational person could use to conclude the Pope was murdered.  

    •  There aren't millions of apparently HEALTHY ... (2+ / 0-)
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      people who die unexpectedly in bed at the age of 65 who don't have autopsies, at least not in the United States, and I don't expect in most of Europe either.  So it's not terribly relevant that lots of people die without being autopsied.

      Bin Laden is dead. GM and Chrysler are alive.

      by leevank on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 01:38:46 PM PDT

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      •  Healthy People Don't Have Missing Medicine Bottles (2+ / 0-)
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        Because "healthy" people don't take medicine.  Instead, sick people take medicine.  

        However, the fact that no autopsey was taken is, as you write, "not terribly relevant."  I agree, it isn't relevant to proving poisoning.  It neither proves or disproves poisoning.  Same with a missing medicine bottle.  The fact that there is a missing medicine bottle neither proves nor disproves poisoning.  Again, it isn't relevant.

        •  You are being deliberately obtuse! (3+ / 0-)
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          And you're also twisting my words.  I didn't say that the fact that there was no autopsy is "not terribly relevant," and if you have the reading ability of a third grader, you know it.  I said the fact that lots of people die without autopsies was not terribly relevant.  There's no particular reason for an autopsy if somebody had a terminal illness and death was expected to occur reasonably soon.

          As far as healthy people not taking medicine, I guess you consider anybody with mild high blood pressure, allergies, or any other condition for which people take medicine to be unhealthy people who are sufficiently close to death's door that nobody should expect an autopsy.

          Bin Laden is dead. GM and Chrysler are alive.

          by leevank on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 04:07:24 PM PDT

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        •  Healthy people take medicine for specific (1+ / 0-)
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          ailments such as allergies and illnesses.

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