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  •  Okay, media isn't helping (14+ / 0-)

    but does that mean you subscribe to the notion that all those many folks are smart, caring people sadly  misinformed, and thus absolved of all responsibility for their support of stupid/evil?  

    I mean, this was real rift in our family.  I still mull on it a lot.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 03:05:03 PM PDT

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    •  There are those who are deliberately ignorant (29+ / 0-)

      And there are those who hold onto certain beliefs long after they are no longer useful.  I suspect that you are talking about the former, and your sister is talking about the latter.  We all ascribe to various identities and even if we are not totally aware of them, they are important to us.  A lot of people associate with the Republican Party for reasons of geography, family history, casual consumption of the media or other factors that contribute to our sense of self and place.  A lot of people don't take politics as seriously as we do.  A lot of people don't have a very strong commitment to fact versus belief, or at least they are not much invested in questioning belief.

      The GOP has such massive internal contradictions that it drives us crazy when otherwise seemingly rational people hold onto that Republican identity and casually accept what we know to be false.  I always expect for key GOP constituencies to start crumbling, but it never seems to happen.  The biggest contradiction is the seeming willingness of GOP sheep to offer themselves up as table fare for GOP wolves like Mitt Romney.  Here in the Midwest, you would expect residents of some of the deepest red parts of the country - southern Indiana, Kansas, Oklahoma Panhandle, to start taking climate change seriously.  It's a horrible drought. They suffer through weeks of >100 degree heat and an unrelenting brown landscape. They lost their crops - and I mean completely.  I drove across southern Indiana a few weeks ago and the fields were already dead - and there's been no rain since.   Anyone with more than  20 or 30 years perspective knows that the climate is changing.  Yet they hold on to the same beliefs. It is depressing.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 04:03:57 PM PDT

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    •  Agreed lgmcp. (4+ / 0-)
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        Said rift is continuing in my family.  There has been recent progress, though, with the less insane tea baggers listening to love and reason, here and there.

      •  We made up but (7+ / 0-)

        mainly by tabling that particular question.  I am still uncomfortable that she makes excuses for bigotry, and probably she is still uncomfortable that I can't accept her neighbors as well-meaning people.  I suppose we're both partly right, but it's hard to talk about without getting upset.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 06:14:46 PM PDT

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    •  People just can't admit they've been duped, so... (6+ / 0-)

      they double down on their commitment to the bogus Republican 'principles' and blame poor & brown people even more angrily.

      My dad is a classic example. He was active in county Republican government in the 1970s and 1980s, back when there was still some lingering shred of integrity. But late in his career the Republican 'machine' in his county became ever more corrupt and feckless, and he found himself working with morons & naked corruption. A sane person might step back and realize he was working with the devil.

      Instead, he doubled down on his anger at "the 60's", and wallowed in his rage at affirmative action. It was all those women and minorities who caused things to go bad. See, he was an attorney for the County, and was enraged when female and minority attorneys were hired before "deserving white guys with wives and children" like him. Despite the obvious truth that incompetent and corrupt white guy Republicans screwed the pooch, he can't admit that. He still angrily blames "those affirmative action gals", and watches Fox News 24/7 in his retirement.

      When I point out that corporate pirates and privatization have robbed the county blind on his watch, he retreats to the bogus notion that "private industry will always overmatch some government bureaucrat in negotiations". Which is a sad artifact of his service in government at a time when corrupt Republican officials put a thumb on the scale to throw every decision to private contractors.

      •  Ugh (0+ / 0-)

        I'm sure your dad was bright enough in other ways, but what you describe seems to fall squarely under "stupid".   Doubling down on stupid so you don't have to admit you were wrong before ... can hardly be described as insightful.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 10:47:38 AM PDT

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        •  I call it a lack of integrity. (1+ / 0-)
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          Because that's what it is: abject refusal to look hard into the mirror and see what you've been a part of. And blaming traditionally powerless and abused minorities for the grotesque failures of your own ruling class.

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