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  •  The intel windfall, and the "porn" item: (21+ / 0-)

    Obama releasing the information that Bin Laden's computers were full of porn would have been a carefully calculated move:

    1)  On the surface level, mocking Bin Laden, and besmirching his reputation with his followers.  Bin Laden the Porn Hound.

    2)  Below the surface:  Since porn was used by AQ as a steganographic carrier medium, senior AQs would have heard the news and immediately shifted to some other means of communication.  NSA would have been ready & waiting for just this occurrence, to confirm the outlines of the AQ leadership and its network.  

    BTW, having studied some OSI material about AQ crypto, it can also be said that AQ really stunk at comsec.  Once their network lit up and shifted to channels other than stegged porn, zeroing in on it with cryptanalysis resources might very well have yielded more details than the network & traffic analysis alone.  

    I also predicted in a diary, that the intel would be used to take down AQ piece by piece (and a lot of commenters pooh-poohed the whole thing):

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 12:13:58 PM PDT

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    •  went back and read it again (5+ / 0-)

      excellent, don't know why  I didn't rec it at the time :>....I wasn't poo pooing anything...I was suggesting that people in Al!Q were bugging out at the news..apparently some didn't :>

      you mentioned Chalabi...any news regarding him?

      any analysis of Pak's gubbmint since then?

      this thread with ferallike's comments was new for me, spot on.

      thanks.

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      by KenBee on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 01:54:31 PM PDT

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      •  i'm at work, will get back to you tonight. (3+ / 0-)
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        Lots of questions.... but i'm going to a client site right now, will be back tonight and reply...

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 02:30:14 PM PDT

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        •  not on just my behalf.... (2+ / 0-)
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          altho I'd be interested, but maybe in a diary form so we can all discuss how awesome the CinC is and how he's looking out for the best interests of the country and using the military wisely...otherwise it's just you, me and the lamppost...and who ever is listening in from the NSA...of course they vote too, so there's that.....

          This machine kills Fascists.

          by KenBee on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 02:56:29 PM PDT

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          •  peekaboo, i'm back... (0+ / 0-)

            I didn't get in last night until obscene-o'clock and I was exhausted from work, so here goes:

            Chalabi:  Not much news since that time.  He has probably sunk into the background and lives like a prince in some country that will tolerate him.  IMHO he should be a candidate for a SEAL extraction operation, and then put him on trial at the Hague.  (Resisting the temptation to call for a military tribunal and a firing squad...)

            Pak Gov:  At least up to the point where we took out Bin Laden, Pak Gov was infested with Taliban and AQ sympathizers.  Frankly I haven't kept close tabs on Pak Gov since then but if there has not been major and thorough change, then they're still rotten to the core and the world would be better off without them.  

            Prediction:  It will turn out to be discovered that elements of the Pak Gov are behind at least a large plurality of the "green-on-blue" killings of Americans by Afghan "security" forces.  (There's a new term for "green-on-blue," but I can't think of it at the moment; something like "internal threat".)  Mark my words.  The news about this will come out in 2014.  And no I'm not privy to any inside scoop on this, it's just evident from the public news on the subject.  

            Though, it looks as if my prediction back then about the Bin Laden takedown leading to regime change in Pak, was just dead wrong.  Nothing like a little wishful thinking to screw up one's analytic skills.  

            Between you, me, the lamp post, and the intercept operators (who I trust a hell of a lot more than Google's or Facebook's profit-driven algorithms), there are a decent number of votes.  

            "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

            by G2geek on Sat Aug 18, 2012 at 07:27:40 PM PDT

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    •  I always suspected that the admin's statements.... (7+ / 0-)

      about what they found in that "treasure trove" of intel were a psy-ops operation, and effort to get some rabbits to bolt from their holes.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 02:27:40 PM PDT

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      •  exactly. (13+ / 0-)

        Obama is airtight about the secrets that need to be kept, and often gets criticism for keeping secrets that people here wish weren't secrets.  

        Any information that came out of the Obama admin about AQ would have been carefully calculated to get a specific response from AQ.   This is how the game should be played, and it's good to see Obama doing it so darn well.

        One more thing.

        The military brass sent to Obama saying in effect, "just give us the minimum resources to get in there and do the mission, we're willing to take the sacrifice for it if need be.

        But Obama's response was, "we'll give you all the backup you need to not only complete the mission (getting Bin Laden) but get out of there safe and well."

        That would have been highly appreciated by the military: the C-in-C looking out for them, every last person.  

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 02:34:39 PM PDT

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        •  My assessment would be that the vast majority of (4+ / 0-)
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          the military personnel that have had actual contact with the President and seen him in action will have very positive reactions to him and his capacities as well as his style. Those ripples should spread, but I wish we could reinforce and amplify them. ::sigh::

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          by FarWestGirl on Fri Aug 17, 2012 at 05:05:27 PM PDT

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        •  So many in the military mock the President (1+ / 0-)
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          but I have come to believe he would have made a very good, smart general.  Be it in another year or another 4 yrs, I think the military will miss him when he's gone.

          The new SwiftBoaters would hate anyone who is a Democrat, esp someone who is part African American.  They are like the 25% they came from.  Not reachable or reasonable.  

          Thank goodness we have a President who knows how to use the military judiciously.  

          •  Active duty service members don't... (0+ / 0-)

            .... because "mocking" is an expression of contempt, and that's outside the boundaries of free speech as defined for military personnel.  Some of them might have plenty of criticism, which is their right, but not mocking.  

            Former service members have the same rights to mock presidents as the rest of us.  And so we see the usual collection of right-wing loudmouths making noise from the sidelines.  

            It's telling that the leader of the Newer Swifter Boaters who abuse the term OPSEC as their name, lists his occupation as a "model" and an "actor."  Sounds to me like a male escort and occasional porn star.  

            "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

            by G2geek on Sat Aug 18, 2012 at 07:32:18 PM PDT

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            •  You haven't met the in-laws, I guess. (0+ / 0-)
              Active duty service members don't...  because "mocking" is an expression of contempt, and that's outside the boundaries of free speech as defined for military personnel.
              I'd be happy to name them, but it is against the rules of this site.  Be assured they are out there, and they do mock, disparage, hate the Obamas and 'Demo-rats' (along with uppity women like Hillary (& her husband) & Nancy Pelosi).  They get their marching orders from Rush, FAUX, Beck, Bush, Cheney and the extreme right elements of the Catholic Church.  

              And yes, those around them not directly in the military, reflect with fervor their views with a vengeance.  At this point 2 are officers 1) a commander in the Navy, 2)another a captain in the army.  There is another who I think is a specialist in the army.  

              They are not nice, fair people.  

              •  against the rules of this site? (0+ / 0-)

                Are you talking about active duty service members who are on DK?  If not, then what's against site rules to name them?

                Sure there are examples out there, of active duty service members mocking the C-in-C, but they are highlighted because they are relatively rare.  If someone is a commissioned officer and they engage in that stuff, they are directly violating their oath of commission and they should be reported to their chain of command.  

                "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

                by G2geek on Sat Aug 18, 2012 at 11:00:25 PM PDT

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                •  Doubt they are on DK (1+ / 0-)
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                  Are you talking about active duty service members who are on DK?
                  But since anyone can pick up anything on this site with a Google search, I won't be naming names.  I'd like to forget they exist.  But they became 'in our faces' examples of a certain type of people who we do not care to associate with.  

                  I'm sure they keep their noses clean for the "chain of command" since they have advanced in the ranks.  

                  Actually I am even more disgusted with myself, for falling into the trap of trusting some of these people for 25+ yrs, who it turned out were back stabbing us as well as defining half the US population as an enemy; one they were superior to.  

                  It has been a rude awakening, believe me.  Hope you never have to go through anything like it.  

                  •  by which you mean... (2+ / 0-)
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                    ... I assume, the retired ones who are very visible & at times flamboyant in their contempt for the C-in-C, and the active ones who are associated with them.  Got it; I think I know who you're referring to, and good infosec on your part to fly below the Google radar.

                    Don't be disgusted with yourself.  You were conned by people who qualify as diagnosable sociopaths, who are high experts at conning people.  There's nothing dishonorable about being the victim of a con, any more than being the victim of a rapist who's in your social circle, any more than being mugged at random on the street.  

                    I've been screwed by sociopaths and narcissists more than once, and I'm well-versed in psych & cog sci so I "should have" been able to spot them.  Thing is, they are by nature very difficult to spot.  A person can spend years knowing and dealing with one of these people and never figure out what they're up to until they get so outrageous that it's impossible to deny what they are.  

                    So yeah I've been through something like it and it sucked bigtime.  But after enough repeat performances, one learns to protect oneself.  

                    We should probably have a group on DK for victims of cons and sociopaths and narcissists.  Much to be learned from each others' experience, and much solidarity to be gained.

                    Last but not least, sociopaths in uniform do not do dishonor to their branch of the service, only to themselves.  The institutional strength of all branches is such that the misdeeds and machinations of bad actors in any branch ultimately washes out of the institutional culture, and does not stop the regular march forward with the times.

                    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

                    by G2geek on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 03:46:28 AM PDT

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