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  •  Publish, and watch your back (1+ / 0-)
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    This is no game, if they'll steal an election, one little homicide isn't going to give them pause.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 07:23:04 PM PDT

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    •  See also my item about deterrent strength. (1+ / 0-)
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      Anyone contemplating committing "one little homicide" needs to be painfully aware that the police will pounce them so fast their heads will spin, and they will be prosecuted, and there will be witnesses who will testify, and they will go to prison for the rest of their lives.  

      So travel in pairs, carry cellphones with 911 on an autodial button, know how to use any device you carry that has a camera and microphone, and publicize the fact that we are watching and we will not hesitate to bring the full weight of the law down on the heads of anyone who attempts violence or intimidation to influence or "true" the election.  

      And for those who live in areas where local LE is potentially compromised, be willing, ready, and able to contact the FBI.  Where local LE doesn't do their job, the FBI will swoop in and do it for them.  

      It also helps to practice your "stance," as in, standing up to intimidators and saying things like "don't touch me or I will have you arrested" in a tone that says that you mean business.  

      There's been so much "dishwater taco sauce" (deliberate weakness and victim mentality) going around on the left lately that we practically need to start conducting training sessions and role-plays to teach assertiveness.  But none the less: you can role-play this with friends until you can do it in your sleep.

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 07:51:52 PM PDT

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      •  Tough guy posturing won't do it (1+ / 0-)
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        After the 2004 election a guy was deposed who claimed to have set up the network the GOP used to steal Ohio.  He died in a small plane crash before testifying.  No tough guy stance would have prevented that crash, foul play or not.

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 08:15:33 PM PDT

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        •  Yep (0+ / 0-)

          Nobody is going to want to speak up after stuff like this. It's likely bigger than we can imagine.

          http://rawstory.com/...

          "If these Republicans can't stand up to Rush, how can they stand up to the Iranians?" - Redmond Barry

          by xsonogall on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:02:47 PM PDT

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        •  Putting your tail between your legs and whimpering (1+ / 0-)
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          is posturing, and not the kind we need to adopt.  Standing up for ourselves and not taking bullying is what we need to do.

          Cowering under the bed just because of a small plane crash in 2004 is not reasonable, it's cowardice.

          If fear is your message, then the rest of us who are used to doing what we need to do in spite of fear will reject your caution as cowardice and continue to assert our rights.  

          Eradicate magical thinking

          by Zinman on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:08:42 PM PDT

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          •  Not what I said (0+ / 0-)

            I didn't say to give up, I said to watch your back if your documenting evidence of election fraud, and don't get cocky and think that strutting around like some bad motherfucker is going to keep you safe.  If that scares you so much you want to turn tail and run, that's your problem.  

            I think successfuly combating election fraud will take legal and police action.  Legislation is needed to ensure proper oversight, but that starts at the grass roots level, and it may be cell phone videos that give the needed spark.  In any case, BE CAREFUL.  If a group is serious enough to steal a national election, they won't think twice about putting some witness in the hospital, or worse.

            "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

            by Subterranean on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 12:03:29 AM PDT

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            •  strutting around isn't what does it. (0+ / 0-)

              Having the legal backup (Election Protection lawyers with staff & volunteers) is what does it.  

              Carrying two cellphones, one in your pocket with the camera aimed outward, and one in your hand, helps.

              Working in pairs, helps a hell of a lot.  One to have the conversation, one to serve as a witness.  

              Practicing and rehearsing until you can do it in your sleep helps a hell of a lot too.  Think "New England Quaker activist nonviolence training."  That's how the Quaker-led protests always stayed peaceful: they practiced and rehearsed and role-played.  

              And having all of this replicated coast-to-coast so it stands unified and strong is best of all.  Strength in numbers.  

              We're smarter than the badguys.  Ultimately we're stronger.  All we have to do is put that strength to use and we're unbeatable.    

              "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

              by G2geek on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:07:33 PM PDT

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        •  Good God!, go and prove my point for me. (1+ / 0-)
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          No, let's not be tough, let's keep being weak, and then we can keep writing diaries titled "We are all (the name of the latest victim of some atrocity or another)!"

          And let's have dishwater sauce with those tacos.  Right.

          First of all, NEVER use small airplanes!  (And always use random passwords, never publish your birth date online, and wear your seatbelts when you're in a car.  Sheesh, all of this stuff ought to be second-nature to all of us!)

          There were a whole bunch of "interesting" small plane crash deaths in the 00s, including a couple of Representatives and possibly a Senator (the name Carnahan was one of them).  

          Small plane sabotage is terribly easy to do, difficult to detect, and deadly.  Even worse: helicopters.

          Fly on regular commercial airlines only.  The neocons aren't going to follow you onto the plane and put arsenic in your beverage.  Worst you have to endure is a long security line and a cramped seat.   Best of all, take the train if possible.

          Really: strength requires the willingness to take risks and to live a more security-conscious lifestyle.  That's nothing that millions of ghetto-dwellers don't do every day as they routinely dodge dangers that are a hell of a lot more pervasive and deadly than any neocon attack brigade trying to take down a suburb-dweller with a defiant attitude.  If people in the inner cities can deal with security issues out of sheer necessity, more of us can start doing it with a deliberate purpose in mind.

          As for "tough-guy posturing," it's not posturing when it's followed up by appropriate action.  "Step back from that line of voters and stop intimidating them, or I will call our Election Protection lawyer right this moment and have you served with papers."  Then DO IT, dammit!  Call that lawyer!  

          And if we're properly organized, the lawyer's paralegal will write up the docs, the lawyer will sign them, and an assistant will hop on a motor scooter to get them to the polling place in record time.   The first voter-harrassing bully who gets a wad of legal documents shoved in his face, right on the spot at the polling place, is the beginning of the END of voter intimidation.  Mark my words.

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:11:45 PM PDT

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          •  Way to prove my point (0+ / 0-)

            You didn't say all that at first, all you said was to walk around like some bad mofo.  Now you're agreeing with me, acting like a badass isn't enough.

            I didn't bring up the small plane accident to start CTs about the 00s (nothing wrong with them, just not the place for it).  My point is simply that the thugs at the higher levels of the GOP party structure are fucking dead serious, and will silence any witnesses by any means necessary.  Are we going to merit silencing by taking cell phone photos at the polls?  Not likely, but better to be careful than sorry.  

            "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

            by Subterranean on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 12:11:28 AM PDT

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            •  then it looks like we all agree! (0+ / 0-)

              Practice and rehearse, have legal teams at the ready, strength in numbers, and no strutting needed: just as matter-of-fact as a CHP officer writing a speeding ticket.

              The "small planes in the 00s" stuff isn't CT until there's an identifiable conspiracy to theorize about.  All it is for now is "very suspicious."  As in, "UFO" doesn't mean "alien space ship," it only means "unidentified."  One can use the words denotatively without attaching the connotations.

              "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

              by G2geek on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:11:26 PM PDT

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