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  •  How about this as an alternative. (8+ / 0-)

    You do not kill people in foreign countries unless you have declared war on them or they have declared war on you. And labeling someone a terrorist is not sufficent. If you are going to argue that we are entitled to use drones in other countries then you must allow other countries to use them agianst us. We are not the single empire ruling the world. And we are getting our ass kicked in public opinoin. And our actions justify terrorism against us. We care not for the innocent victims of multiple drone attacks so no one will care about the loss of innocent American life in terrorist attacks against us. What comes around goes around.

    When a lesser power faces a greater power in a fight and the lesser power is fighting to recover a lost sense of dignity that lesser power will use whatever weapon it can improvise. Rocks, IUDs, sucide bombers, car bombs, etc. We know this from the wars of independence of the latter 20th century, the war of independence for Israel, the Irish Revolution and so on. We may be killing people with drones but we are losing the war. And the world is learning that Bush was not an aberration. So many Americans support torture and banned practices like drone strikes. And that sends a message to the world that we only really want to be feared. So much for democracy.

    •  The AUMF was a declaration of war. (1+ / 0-)
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      •  No, it wasn't a declaration of war (0+ / 0-)

        Please don't tell me you believe that. The Constitution is clear on what a declaration of war is. There hasn't been such a thing by the USA since December 1941.

        "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

        by Lost Left Coaster on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:31:59 AM PDT

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      •  The AUMF is a declaration of war only (0+ / 0-)

        under our domestic law. Not international law. We have not fought a legal conflict since the Korean War. And we have been in violation of international law as far as weapons are concerned since the end of WWII. We can not expect others to abide by international law when we ourselves do not abide by international law. We commit war crimes and at the same time hide war criminals and try other war criminals in our courts. It is rank hypocrisy and it damages our ability to conduct foreign policy.

        When you can kill people without the need to endanger your soldiers you build a sense of hopeless impotent rage among your victims/targets. Wonder why Afghan police who we train and arm shoot at us? Because they can. It is a way of fighting back. If the US were in the same situation we would do likewise. If the US were occupied by a foreign force we would be fighting everyday to expel the invaders. Even after our army was defeated. We would not just give up. Why do you expect others to just give up? Did the Irish in 1916? Or the Israelis in 1948? Or the East Timorese?

        Arguments based on morality are useless when you are acting immorally. And arguments based on law are useless when you are acting illegally. These are self serving excuses.

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