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  •  I agree with you to the extent that the moral (0+ / 0-)

    discussion should stop with it is wrong to kill innocent people. Perhaps what we need to do then is address the fact that drone warfare is not an effective use in counteracting terrorist acts. Because we still have to fill the void that our military says drones fill--stopping terrorism.  If we can't do that we will never be able to stop the indiscriminate use of drones.

    "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

    by stellaluna on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:39:07 AM PDT

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    •  No, we don't (1+ / 0-)
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      The USA was attacked on September 11th, 2001. Bin Laden is dead. Our invasion of Afghanistan is more or less a failure, and nothing is going to turn that around. The USA homeland hasn't been successfully attacked by Al Qaeda since 2001. In fact, no one but a few lone wolves, with minimal competence, have even tried.

      Terrorism is not being stopped by drones. Drones are perpetuating terrorism through their own acts of terror. To stop terror with drone strikes is like putting out a fire with gasoline. We would honestly be safer if all drone strikes stopped tomorrow.

      The USA is targeted by terrorists because of our empire of military bases and client states that repress human rights at home (like Bahrain) and abroad (like Israel) (standard caveat: this does not in any way justify terror attacks against the USA, Israel, or anyone else; this is an explanation, not a justification). If the USA were to ramp down its empire, we may just face less violent opposition around the world. And, lo and behold, we'd even have more money at home to rebuild our economy.

      Drones to not make us safer. A safer alternative for the USA would be to not use drones at all. Remember, the man who attempted to bomb Times Square said that he was motivated by civilian drone strike deaths. To him, civilian life in New York was just as expendable as civilian life in Pakistan is to the CIA, the US military, and legions of supporters.

      "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

      by Lost Left Coaster on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 09:09:35 AM PDT

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      •  The US was attacked September 11, 2012 (0+ / 0-)

        If we can show that attack was because of drones we are likely to prevail. But if it was a non drone related terrorist attack we still have to answer the question. It will not help to ignore the fact that there are still terrorists who hate the US and want to harm it.  Showing that drones add to instead of solve the problem would be good. Ignoring the problem ensures failure.

        "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

        by stellaluna on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 09:27:36 AM PDT

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        •  Why do the terrorists hate America? (0+ / 0-)
          Ignoring the problem ensures failure.
          It sure does. Can you elaborate on the "problem"?
          •  The problem that I was referring to is (1+ / 0-)
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            the anit-US feelings that lead to terrorist attacks.  I think drones contribute to those feelings.  Whether not using drones would stop terrorism is a different question.  One problem we have is terrorism.  If drones add to the likelihood of terrorist acts against the US then surely we should do everything we can to stop them.  Ignoring the contribution of drones to the the negative feelings toward the US is done at our own peril.  But the hatred preceeds drones.  Some of the hatred is cultural and we probably aren't going to be able to do anything about that.

            "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

            by stellaluna on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 01:09:18 PM PDT

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