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  •  Casburn. The irony/importance of 9/11 date (5+ / 0-)
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    The irony of making contact on the anniversary of the day that some UK pol said while it was happening what a day for issuing a news story one wants buried....or something like that.

    9/11/2010 is exactly 9 days after the NYT publication date of its study of phone hacking and its corroboration independently of the Davis/Guardian reporting.

    Hoare was an important source for them.

    NYT on Hoare

    So what did she have to tell? The launching of Varec? Do we have a start date for it?

    I was betting it was something else because:

    1. there was no monetary value in that news, after all, NoTW had enough friends at the Met to be well aware of the launch, and she was senior enough to know how well placed NoTW was.

    2. information worthy putting a 17 year career at risk had to be worth some headline story.

    Ceebs, any thoughts on matter?

     

    "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

    by BlueStateRedhead on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 03:07:40 PM PDT

    •  now that (3+ / 0-)
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      is something we will have to wait to see

      Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

      by ceebs on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 03:14:10 PM PDT

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    •  One interesting point (4+ / 0-)
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      The corruption charge she faces alleges she offered information to the NotW (management presumably), not that they took up the offer.

      She presumably was expecting some benefit from leaking the extent of the investigation to them (this has been alluded to if not actually reported in the media here). That need not have been financial but it does suggest that she was well aware that providing confidential information to the paper would be useful to them and beneficial to her.

      What will be interesting is if any member of the NotW management or editorial staff are charged in connection with the other side of the "transaction". Even if they did not accept the offer because they knew the risks, they could face the relatively minor charge of failing to report a criminal offence. That might be enough to trigger an investigation under the American FCPA.

      Why doesn't Mitt Romney carry an iPhone? 1. He has staff to carry his cellphone 2. He has an Ann Droid.

      by Lib Dem FoP on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 03:23:41 PM PDT

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      •  Very good point Lib Dem Fop (4+ / 0-)

        From what I gather, the information on Casburn hasn't come from the MSC trawl of internal emails (though I might have missed something)

        Therefore, it would require a whistleblower, either among the police of NOTW staff.

        Plenty of recent arrestees from both groups

        The Fall of the House of Murdoch -with Eric Lewis and all the latest Leveson evidence out now!

        by Brit on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 03:27:20 PM PDT

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        •  well a question (4+ / 0-)
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          that necessarily occurrs if this alleged crime is actually true  is  If News International senior staff knew about this offered deal, and had turned it down. Then as a paper that is supposedly on the side of Law and Order, and firmly committed to the side of good in the war on terror, Then how come they appear not to have passed on to the relevent authorities the fact that a senior police inspector in the anti-terror department was willing to sell secrets for personal gain?

          Even if they turn out to have turned this down, this is not good news for News International, as well as the police.

          Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

          by ceebs on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 03:53:42 PM PDT

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        •  I read that recant arrestees! too much Hilary.... (4+ / 0-)
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          ...Mantel* reading about Henry VIII and his executions of Thomas More, and more and more people after that....I guess

          *Wolf Hall and Bring up the Bodies

          Nice to see you in these environs, Brit!

          I mean daily kos, not the place of execution of More and  more ....

          "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

          by BlueStateRedhead on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 03:58:59 PM PDT

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      •  As the web gets tangl-ier ((LDFoP)) and a query (4+ / 0-)
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        Ghe live blogging here of the debate between the Senator MA- R[acist] and Elizabeth Warren [D] does not allow me to pursue this. so correct me if i got anything wrong.

        something does not compute here.

        Reading both guardian articles, it seems the Elveden charge is offering...which suggests  her offering was not accepted....but the evidence comes from a file on payments to corrupt police officers, which suggests money was disbursed.

        In the G. Off. secrets articles, there is an apparent contradiction:

        A senior counter-terrorism detective has been charged with breaching the Official Secrets Act in relation to information allegedly sent to the News of the World about the Scotland Yard probe into phone hacking.

        Detective chief inspector April Casburn, 53, is accused of offering to the now-closed Sunday tabloid information about Operation Varec, the investigation into whether the Metropolitan police inquiry into phone hacking should be reopened.

        At least in US English offering information and information sent are two different things.

        here's a simple query, factual and legal: is revealing a police operation in course a breach of the official secrets act?

        or is it an operation about a police inquiry that triggers it?

        or both?

        In either case, from the photo it looks like the lady knows she is for hanging.

        "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

        by BlueStateRedhead on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 03:56:03 PM PDT

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        •  Two separate cases (4+ / 0-)
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          The first is offering the NotW information regarding the re-opening of the phone hacking investigation, in which she had a leading role.

          The second relates to documents marked as being official secrets which were found during a search of her home.

          District Judge Quentin Purdey was told that the misconduct charge related to information allegedly offered to the News of the World about Operation Varec, while the official secrets charge related to two documents allegedly found in her home which were marked "secret", when removal of the files had not been authorised
          From The Telegraph which is about the best paper of record regarding court cases.

          Why doesn't Mitt Romney carry an iPhone? 1. He has staff to carry his cellphone 2. He has an Ann Droid.

          by Lib Dem FoP on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 04:08:45 PM PDT

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    •  By the way (2+ / 0-)
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      that quote about 9/11 is widely attributed to Peter Mandelson however it was actually one of Blair's "special advisers" Jo Moore. She was fired and took several with her.

      Why doesn't Mitt Romney carry an iPhone? 1. He has staff to carry his cellphone 2. He has an Ann Droid.

      by Lib Dem FoP on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 05:26:04 PM PDT

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