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  •  Well, sure (5+ / 0-)

    When other people get government aid, it's a handout for layabouts. When I get it, it's something I earned and deserve. A bit OT, but I hear a variation on this whenever I come across a discussion in the comments section of an article about cycling and cycling accidents. There's always a contingent of nasty bike haters who claim that cyclists should have to pay road usage fees through tabs and licensing or else not be allowed on roads, not realizing that the vast majority of cyclists also own cars and pay such fees already, and that the extra use they get out of roads on their bikes is marginal compared to that of cars, in terms of space and wear and tear. I.e. my use of public roads is legitimate because I drive a real vehicle and not some effete bicycle, whereas your use of them is bogus.

    You just can't cure stupid. Or mean.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 06:45:54 AM PDT

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    •  Maybe you can come up with a concrete proposal (2+ / 0-)
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      for cyclists to pay their fair share of road costs based on the amount of wear and tear that results from their activities, you know, in comparison to SUVs, 18 wheelers, etc.

      Like you say, it's rather minimal - wonder if it can actually be quantified?   I'd bet it'd be something like one cent for every hundred dollars for the mega vehicles now roaming our roads . . ..

      •  Not even (2+ / 0-)
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        My bike weighs under 19 pounds and has 2 skinny slick tire wheels and makes infinitessimally small wear and tear on roads. A typical vehicle probably weighs around 3-4000 pounds and measurably wears down roads. But if I'm asked to pay a penny or two to register my bike, I'm ok with that.

        Of course, the cost of administering such a rediculous program would vastly exceed the additional revenue it brought in. Wingnut math is like that.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 07:04:49 AM PDT

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        •  To nitpick, I'm guessing that your bike (1+ / 0-)
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          weighs more than 19 pounds with you on it?

          In any event, the point is for you to appear eager to "pay your fair share" when confronted by a wingnut.

          And you can even cite scientific studies - such as this thread (I'm sure it would meet their standards, if copied and pasted to a RW site of some type) - that you owe something like $0.0137 over the lifetime of a bicycle, and propose that it be collected like sales tax when the bicycle is sold.  

          That would put them in quite the conundrum I suspect - they'd be forced to agree with a new tax, or look like a complete hypocrite for bringing up the subject in the first place . .. .

          •  I weigh exactly 3.123 ounces (1+ / 0-)
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            But seriously, even with fat old me on the bike I can't imagine that it contributes measurable deterioration to a roadbed (heh) even if I go over the same stretch of road 10 times a day 365 days a year. If I'm wrong, I'd love to see credible studies showing otherwise.

            Of course, there's more involved than roadbed deterioration. There's also services such as police, rescue, EMS, etc., in case I get into an accident or need help on some remote road, that car fees pay for. So throw in another $3 a year and I'll consider it a fair trade.

            Oh wait, what's that, it would likely cost well more than $3 a year to administer and thus is pointless? Damn that reality and math, always getting in the way of a good wingnut rant!

            Seriously, they just hate cyclists, or anyone who makes them feel like the losers that deep down they know they are.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 02:28:19 PM PDT

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