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  •  I didn't say it did (14+ / 0-)

    All forms of American violence, esp. the violence of occupation, produce anti-American violence; but drones are the trendy form of American violence these days and a major, if not the major, cause of hatred of the United States.

    But a M-16 sniper attack or a Special Ops raid at least doesn't terrorize entire populations the way drones do in some areas, constantly hovering, forcing children to stay indoors, preventing them from going to school, etc.

    It's just asinine, the notion that we can kill terrorism away, but hey, the MIC is happy, the money keeps flowing, a self-perpetuating money machine, the war on terrorism.

    •  Do you recall Somalia / Black Hawk down? (20+ / 0-)

      The efforts to rescue those downed soldiers caused an entire neighborhood to be shot up with no one knows or was able to count how many civilian casualties.

      No one has yet figured out how to go after people who deliberately locate themselves among civilians with zero danger to the civilians. That is exactly what terrorists / militants / revolutionaries always do.

      Other than not fighting them at all, what do you suggest?

      Romney economics: Feed our seed corn to the fattest pigs and trust them to poop out jobs.

      by blue aardvark on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 03:03:28 PM PDT

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      •  Sadly I think some people on this site don't care. (2+ / 0-)
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        CuriousBoston, erush1345

        If we lose a drone, we've lost a hilariously expensive piece of equipment.  Lose a fixed-wing aircraft or a chopper, we deliver folded flags to moms and dads and husbands and wives across the country.

        I would much rather lose the hilariously expensive piece of equipment.

        "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

        by auron renouille on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 08:15:37 PM PDT

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      •  Just don't fight them (0+ / 0-)

        If its too dangerous, pull our people out.  What's the benefit of staying there and getting embroiled in another endless ground war?

        "Mitt Romney is Dick Cheney with more charisma"

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 09:06:41 PM PDT

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    •  Then where are the Iraqi terrorists? (2+ / 0-)
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      When was the last time there was a terrorist attack against the US by Afghans?

      In reality, the vast majority of such attacks are carried out by people from countries, like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, who are our allies.

      Not one of the 9/11 attackers, for instance, was from a country the United States had ever waged war against.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 04:05:46 PM PDT

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      •  I usually agree with you, joe, but... (2+ / 0-)
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        what about the US troops being killed by Afghanis in uniform, those "insider" attacks?

        Perhaps I misunderstood you.

        The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

        by SoCalSal on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 06:09:15 PM PDT

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        •  those troops aren't being killed in america (1+ / 0-)
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          when you occupy a country by force, and slaughter its civilians with great regularity, some small proportion of the people of that country will not be willing to serve as your puppet army.

          see also: the history of every colonized or occupied country in the world.

          •  So... (1+ / 0-)
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            you're saying that the purpose of training Afghan forces by American soldiers is to have the Afghan military serve as puppet army to the USA?

            I don't think so.

            The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

            by SoCalSal on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 09:51:52 PM PDT

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            •  yes (0+ / 0-)

              that is the entire point of training another country's army after having invaded and occupied said country for years, so that they can fight those elements of the country resisting your occupation so that one's own troops don't have to.

              afghanistan is no different than a zillion similar cases historically. naturally, the occupying country - in this case, us - claims it is selflessly training these troops to be a competent national army capable of protecting that country against nefarious outsiders who want to throw it into chaos, just as it claims that the invariably venal puppet ruler that it props up - in afghanistan's case wrapped up with both the drug trade and oil corporations - is a legitimate and independent representative of said nation.

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