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  •  Is it? (9+ / 0-)

    Healthy, unprocessed foods without added HFCS are very expensive. If you are eating on a budget, it is very hard to eat healthy. In fact, it's pretty much impossible unless all you want to eat is beans.

    •  I eat fairly healthy (1+ / 0-)
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      and it's hardly that expensive

      •  FAT has psychological & emotional (6+ / 0-)

        components too. Are you aware of that? Some people are hiding behind their fat; others use food to self-sooth an undiagnosed psychological problem or other unresolved traumata (not infrequently, sexual abuse). Others still just like being bigger. (And some people expressly like bigger people!)

        But FAT is not a willpower issue, for crissake. That's an obsolete approach. Fat is a multivalent, complex phenomenon, involving the whole person. So you have no trouble with your own weight. That's wonderful, that's great: your issues are elsewhere. We've all got our things. Try a little compassion on for size, sheesh.

        God bless our tinfoil hearts

        by aitchdee on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 08:34:43 PM PDT

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        •  we all have issues (1+ / 0-)
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          I have struggled with depression, suicide and self worth issues for the last ten years.

          There are still days that part of me is convinced it would be better to just end it all then get up and move forward another inch.

          Sure it's not just about willpower but at the end of the day, there's you, yourself and I that's all you have. Friends are good and they certainly can help but we're not going to agree here because to me it is about willpower and the drive to change yourself.

          That's not to say that some people don't have metabolism issues or other such things but this tend to be rare cases.

          •  We all have issues - that's just what I said (2+ / 0-)
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            Everyone struggles with something or other. We all have our demons. The pace of progress--of change--(not to mention its visible manifestations) is as varied as there are individual people. You say yourself you're not struggle-free with respect to your own mental health. So ... I'm confused. What's your repeated judgment about willpower got to do with, well, the rest of what you said? We are all doing what we can do with what we've got at the moment. Right? Progressing--moving forward another inch--bit by bit, day by blessed day.

            Are you saying that--unlike you-- some people just lack sufficient force of will? Some folks just don't progress as fast as others manage to do, therefore you feel free to look down your nose at them? Or you look down your nose because - what? they're not as advanced as you psychologically? They just can't seem to get their shit together and change quickly enough for your standards? Hmm. Surely there are better, more healthful ways for you to derive self-esteem than that, my dear fellow traveler. I promise not to be too impatient while you try to find a more psychologically sophisticated alternative.

            God bless our tinfoil hearts

            by aitchdee on Tue Oct 02, 2012 at 09:25:28 PM PDT

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            •  my thoughts on the topic (1+ / 0-)
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              are fairly sophisticated and I'll even be patient and reexplain them.

              The fact is that in the end I'm very Nietzschean in my outlook on life, meine Wille über alles (my will above all). And thus you're right at the end of the day I think it's up to the individual.

              That is not to say though that simply because you don't succeed doesn't mean you tried. However in terms of basic fitness and obesity almost nothing is as important as that drive to keep going. Thus in this particular instance outside of medical conditions there is much more emphasis put on the individual's will and willpower.

              In no way shape or form does that mean I look down on them though. People have different amounts of mental stamina/willpower. But just because one person has less and another has more doesn't make either better or worse.

              It's what you make of life and nothing else. Frankly you seem very touchy on this and I am sorry if I personally offended you but I do not apologize for my stance on this. I am unapologetic in that regard because even eating halfway healthy and exercise would do much to dramatically impact obesity rates in America

              I don't know if that's helpful or not, the fact is I'm not the best person to phrase things in a tactful or pc manner. I saw what I mean to say and leave it to others to decide what they choose to make of it.

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        Avilyn, aitchdee, hungrycoyote

        Your personal experience with food budgeting, and how your body responds to different food types is the same for everyone.  How nice that its not hard for you.  Surely all us fat people would be less fat if we just were able to grasp how to buy the right foods which are so easily accessible to all of us, just like you have.

        Ever hear of food deserts?  Note, that's not desserts.  I'm talking about places where buying fresh foods is next to impossible because of a lack of real grocery stores, public transportation, simple access to fresh foods.

        •  given your response elsewhere (0+ / 0-)

          I am 99% certain that it is not possible to have a meaningful exchange with you, therefore I will not respond to this or further posts by you on this topic.

          I will point out though I never said anything was easy and if you reread carefully you'll see that in all my comments I only ever used the term 'fat' once and even then under protest because it's a subjective word. I've actually been using the word obese which has specific definition.

          Have a pleasant day.

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