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    •  FTFY (13+ / 0-)

      Hopefully, the Tigers will crush their self-important little schtick.

      Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. -- K.Marx A.Lincoln

      by N in Seattle on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 05:18:00 PM PDT

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    •  He never said "I cannot tell a lie." (17+ / 0-)

      He used his little axe, a present,  to shave a bit off a young cherry tree, fessed up to his dad like a good kid, got chewed out.  

      It was Reverend Weems who poured treacle over the whole story, including the "I cannot" line.

      I prefer another story about Washington. At 6'2, he was huge for that era. Had a real disgust for the militias at the beginning of the war, since most of the members therein stank, were drunk half the time and were more interested in fighting each other than the British. (They eventually shaped up.)

      So one day, a fight breaks out between two state militias. Before you can say "Mel Gibson knows squat about American history" a thousand men were brawling and we're talking about groin-kicking, ear-biting mayhem.

      Washington, normally a man of immense dignity, gallops up, bails off his horse, wades into the middle of this, grabs the two biggest battlers  by their necks and cracks their heads together. Then looks around for someone else to chastise. (I understand that flames were spurting from his nostrils and steam was whistling out his ears.)  No one was available. The combatants had taken one look at this huge, furious man and run for their lives.

      We would never have had our own country without him. Go read McCullough's "1776." A wonderful book. And an extraordinary man, Washington.

      Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

      by Sirenus on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 05:28:16 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, "I cannot tell a lie" is a lie (7+ / 0-)

        So are all the stories about his wooden teeth. He was wealthy. Bone and ivory. Wood for backup.

        And he didn't wear a powdered wig when he crossed the Delaware. He left that on shore on his horse's head.

        "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

        by GrumpyOldGeek on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 06:54:10 PM PDT

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      •  Now THAT is the man I believe could be (1+ / 0-)
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        the "Father Of Our Country" !!

        Thanks for this one, and a good suggestion for a nice read this winter.  

        I'd much rather know the truth about our history, warts and all, than some  smarmy shite that bears no relation to what really happened.  Gear the truth to the age of the student, but bygawdandhenry, tell the truth and shame the divil!

        Marti
        I feel better, now. ;-)

        We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

        by The Marti on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 11:10:22 AM PDT

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        •  Actually, the truth about Washington (1+ / 0-)
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          doesn't need any burnishing.

          He has tremendous integrity. He once accidently opened a letter from a subordinate to a arrogant I-could-do-better general under his command that described him, Washington, as unfit for his position. He resealed the letter, gave it to the subordinate and apologized for having opened it....and took no action against either man.

          The general in question was later captured by the British, having stoppd for a hearty meal, a night of drinking and a good night's sleep.  When the Brits grabbed him, he was attired in a nightshirt and a dressing gown. He was one of the few generals Washington had who had a military background and the Brits thought they'd won the war when the got their hands on him....actually, since he was constantly trying to undermine Washington, it was the best thing they could have done to help him!

          Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

          by Sirenus on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 07:22:46 AM PDT

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          •  The true stories, as you say, are enough (0+ / 0-)

            to keep his reputation intact.

            What I object to is the fantasy stuff, that actually detracts from his story.   After enough of those cherry tree fairy tales, is it any wonder that kids begin to doubt all, or most, of the history?  

            I'm not in favour of lying to kids.  As one of my mentors said, "If you're old enough to ask the question, you're old enough to hear the answer."  The caveat, always, is to make the answer age appropriate.  

            As your comments above prove, the real information about George Washington is so much more interesting than any of the myths we were taught.

            Thank you for the extra information.  This was one story that I either had not heard, or did not remember.

            Marti

            We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

            by The Marti on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 11:08:27 AM PDT

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