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  •  Help... Friends are saying Biden lied about... (0+ / 0-)

    his votes on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.   I saw the debate and heard Joe say he voted against the wars... but these guys told me at lunch today that then Sen. Biden voted FOR the wars....  Is this true???

    •  Just research it... (0+ / 0-)

      Acording to the Wiki- he did vote for the Iraq war in 2003.  He then regretted after bush et al mismanaged it so damn badly.

      "I'm not scared of anyone or anything, Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?" Jack Hawksmoor

      by skyounkin on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 01:55:37 PM PDT

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    •  my fundie cousin is broadcasting this on FB (0+ / 0-)

      ... and a google search brought it up in the Washington Examiner.... so this is definitely coming through the wurlitzer today....  the whole thing hinges on an aside that Biden supposedly made after accusing the GOP of putting wars on the credit card, something like "I was there, I voted against it".... my guess is that it's the second coming coming of "against before I was for it" or that they got the quote wrong.

      FWIW, I knew Biden had won last night when the fundie cousing started posting stuff like "they're all crooked", and "look for salvation not in politicians but in God!".  I suppose the Wurlitzer got to him this morning and has bucked up his spirits with outrage....

    •  Paying for wars (4+ / 0-)

      I read on another thread that he was talking specifically about votes on how to pay for the wars. I think there were different versions of bills on how the wars would be financed, and Biden voted against the ones that would be paid for in the longer term. This is a very fuzzy interpretation.

    •   I think the point he was making (3+ / 0-)
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      Was that he voted against putting the wars on a "credit card," not that he voted against the wars.

    •  He was talking about putting the wars on (5+ / 0-)

      credit - excluding them from the budget to hide the costs.

      The Bush administration purposely kept the wars "off budget" in order to hide the true deficit being created.  Republican Congress went along with it without a word of complaint.

      So that makes them lying fools today when they whine so much about the deficits that THEY created.

      That was Biden's point.  He never said voted against the wars, but putting the wars on Credit Cards.  And that's what the Republicans had done.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 02:17:25 PM PDT

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