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  •  Let's start creating a plan. (4+ / 0-)
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    yulooloo, kpardue, WheninRome, NonnyO

    There are lots of very clever, creative people on this site. We don't want any changes unless we take sufficient time to come up with something that can't be manipulated. Those determined to suppress the vote can't be able to figure a way around it. I'm pretty sure Tom Udall would take a look at it.

    After the debacle in 2000, Congress enacted HAVA. Money was given to states, and states bought those awful new machines without a paper trail. Last night on the special edition of the Daily Rundown, Chuck Todd asked which two states voted for Gore in 2000, Bush in 2004, and Obama in 2008. I knew immediately that NM was one, because it has been pissing me off since it happened. NM bought the crappy machines. Dona Ana County, where I live, couldn't get them up and running in time for the election, so we used our old machines. However, in every precinct where the new machines were used, Bush won, regardless of the prior voting history of that precinct. There's more to the story, but I'll leave it there.

    •  If the plan isn't Oregon's vote-by-mail... (4+ / 0-)
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      k8dd8d, yulooloo, SisTwo, NonnyO

      then it's the wrong plan.

      We passed the ballot measure fourteen years ago, and we've been exclusively vote-by-mail ever since.  Honestly, I feel sorry for the people that take ten minutes to vote.  Participation is up,  it's more popular than ever, it has bipartisan support,  and not coincidentally, we've been blue as the Pacific ever since.

      The plan should be to have up tables collecting signatures at all those places where people have to stand in line to vote.

      •  If that's what they come up with, I guess (3+ / 0-)
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        yulooloo, Sychotic1, NonnyO

        that would be good. My only hesitation is that there have been stories about the Repukes registering the elderly in nursing homes, some of whom don't have the mental capacity to vote, and then filling out their ballots. Have you heard about that problem in OR?

        •  that's not a significant threat (1+ / 0-)
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          NonnyO

          Compare piece-meal voter fraud (a felony) to software fraud on a voting machine or semi-legal voter intimidation that can target whole communities.  

          Really, just compare it to the voting lines.  

          Oregonians are happy with the system and voter turnout it up.

      •  Washington too! (1+ / 0-)
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        yulooloo

        Well, the "other" Washington, State that is :-)

        If you took the greed out of Wall Street all you’d have left is pavement ~Robert Reich

        by k8dd8d on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 06:18:20 PM PST

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      •  OR, paper ballots like Minnesota (1+ / 0-)
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        TheDuckManCometh

        Paper ballots, optical scanners, if the totals are within a certain percentage point, there's an automatic recount.  All recounting is done out in the open where anyone can observe.

        Plus, MN has easy voter registration (way below in another comment I have a link to the MN SoS web site with info).

        We had a recount in '62 that I still remember (I was in high school, not old enough to vote, but I remember the recount).

        Then there's the famous '08 recount where Al Franken won by only 312 votes once the manual recount of the paper ballots was done.

        '10 saw the recount process started for the governor's race, but the totals started out farther apart, got wider, so the Repuke finally conceded.

        Plus, on local county or city levels there have also been recounts through the years, and at least two of those, IIRC, did, in fact, have a winner by only one vote or not much more.  Really close.

        I kinda think we Minnesotans aren't going to give up our paper ballots any time soon.  I hope.

        I do NOT trust the e-voting machines that can be pre-set or changed at will by unscrupulous Repuke managers who won't let anyone see the alleged "proprietary codes" for the voting programs, and there are no receipts to indicate how anyone voted.

        There should ALWAYS be paper ballots to hand-count and Impatient Moronic Media can go cheney themselves until the hand recounts are done with all due deliberate, correct haste.  I don't care how long a recount takes as long as it's done accurately!

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Sun Nov 04, 2012 at 10:10:45 PM PST

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