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  •  He's a great aggregator (3+ / 0-)
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    Sklz711, Thorby Baslim, white blitz

    but I would give more shout outs to the real journalists who exposed a lot of the bullshit about Romney.  Nate is a really great modeler and would make a claim to be nothing more than that - he is incredibly influential but we still need real reporting in addition to the constant pulse-taking.

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    by Kevvboy on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 07:58:35 PM PST

    •  Oh and the anonymous (7+ / 0-)

      taper who brought us the 47 percent tape.  I hope he or she will come forward now.

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      by Kevvboy on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 07:58:54 PM PST

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    •  He does more than simply aggregate (3+ / 0-)
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      That's a huge misconception of Silver's methodology.  He has a finely tuned, highly sophisticated statistical model that synthesizes polling data into a whole that is more valuable than the sum of its parts.  

      Plus, can't we give shout-outs to both Silver and the journalists you speak of?  

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      by Subterranean on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 01:37:36 AM PST

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      •  We have a winner! (1+ / 0-)
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        Journalists (and intrepid citizens, such as the one who gave us the 47%  video) can affect people's opinions. Nate Silver's model describes how much and in which direction those opinions are moving, with the ultimate goal of accurately predicting the election outcome. Those are two different things, and both are useful.

        I work in public health research so I am in your corner on modeling versus aggregation. Anybody with time available can aggregate published data. Meta-analysis is a whole different ball of wax than that.

        Someone observed up-thread that there is an outfit doing basic aggregation. They don't come up with Silver's results. That's because they don't do the mental hard labor required for modeling, which involves far more than simple arithmetic.

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        by susanala on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 03:48:34 AM PST

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      •  Who is more accurate: Intrade or Nate Silver? (0+ / 0-)

        On the eve of the election, Intrade had President Obama at 68%.  Silver had him at 92%.

        Given the outcome of the election, who was more accurate?

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        by PatriciaVa on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 12:14:20 PM PST

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