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  •  I disagree. Those you mention were never (25+ / 0-)

    as much as 5% of the population. Who put Reagan in were my disengaged post-60's cohorts, the youth of 1980.

    Today's youth are a world ahead in political awareness; there's simply no comparison.

    •  Yep. They took away the draft and the mainstream (13+ / 0-)

      youth went to the right.  Michael J. Fox played the role well in Familiy Ties.  What's happening now is very different.  Until a college degree means a decent job again, twenty somethings are going to be motivated to vote Democratic.  Once that happens (i.e. good jobs for college grads) the cycle may swing back, but the economic landscape is no where near that point.  And by then maybe the Republicans will have come up with some decent policy proposals, or a new alternative party may have emerged.

      •  The crazy thing is, the 80s kids shifted left (8+ / 0-)

        Reagan won 18-24 year olds 61-40 (more than any other age group). Bush I had 53% of 18-29 year olds against Dukakis.

        And now that generation (40-49 year olds) only voted for Romney by 2 points 50-48.

        "Poor man wanna be rich, Rich man wanna be King, and the King ain't satisfied till he rules everything." Bruce Springsteen.

        by Johnnythebandit on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 12:08:26 PM PST

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      •  The Democrats also took away the GI Bill in 1977! (1+ / 0-)
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        However, I am sure that the truth as to why Generation Jones (people were born between 1954 and 1965) voted Republican will get buried in the revisionist horse manure that is being flung in this diary.

        The commingling of FICA receipts with general revenues occurred under a Democratic president's watch. President Johnson needed a way to hide the true cost of Project Apollo and the Vietnam War, and FICA receipts were an easy target.   The Vietnam War and Project Apollo were the cause of the stagflation that America experienced in the seventies.  They were both Democratic boondoggles.

        I spent five years on active duty, and I still had to pay for college and graduate school.  My peer group has the lowest post-service educational attainment level since WWII because a Democratically-controlled congress decided that the new AVF (All Volunteer Military) did not need a G.I. Bill of Rights (Public Law 94-502).  They gave service members who enlisted between 1/1/1977 and 7/1/1985 an unaffordable poop sandwich known as the Veterans Educational Assistance Program (VEAP).  VEAP was too expensive and provided too little return on investment.  In fact, VEAP was such a bad deal that congress replaced it with the much more affordable and generous Montgomery G.I. Bill in 1985.  However, those who enlisted between 1/1/1977 and 7/1/1985 were out of luck.

        Whether people chose to accept it or not, the Democrats really screwed the pooch in the sixties and the seventies.  The Democratic Party left Generation Jones without hope just as the GOP has left Generation Jones’ children without hope. The Democratic Party was as corrupt and self-serving in the seventies as the GOP is today.

      •  They also took the G.I. Bill Away! (0+ / 0-)

        However, I am sure that the truth as to why Generation Jones (people were born between 1954 and 1965) voted Republican will get buried in the revisionist horse manure that is being flung in this diary.

        The commingling of FICA receipts with general revenues occurred under a Democratic president's watch. President Johnson needed a way to hide the true cost of Project Apollo and the Vietnam War, and FICA receipts were an easy target.   The Vietnam War and Project Apollo were the cause of the stagflation that America experienced in the seventies.  They were both Democratic boondoggles.

        I spent five years on active duty, and I still had to pay for college and graduate school.  My peer group has the lowest post-service educational attainment level since WWII because a Democratically-controlled congress decided that the new AVF (All Volunteer Military) did not need a G.I. Bill of Rights (Public Law 94-502).  They gave service members who enlisted between 1/1/1977 and 7/1/1985 an unaffordable poop sandwich known as the Veterans Educational Assistance Program (VEAP).  VEAP was too expensive and provided too little return on investment.  In fact, VEAP was such a bad deal that congress replaced it with the much more affordable and generous Montgomery G.I. Bill in 1985.  However, those who enlisted between 1/1/1977 and 7/1/1985 were out of luck.

        Whether people chose to accept it or not, the Democrats really screwed the pooch in the sixties and the seventies.  The Democratic Party left Generation Jones without hope just as the GOP has left Generation Jones’ children without hope. The Democratic Party was as corrupt and self-serving in the seventies as the GOP is today.

    •  The voting youth of Reagan/Bush the Elder, (12+ / 0-)

      those who first voted in 1980, 1984 and 1988, were born from 1962 to 1970.  That basically comprises the 40-49 demographic that inexplicably voted for Romney despite its retrograde social policy and promise to dismantle Social Security and Medicare.  (I think of them as the "Alex Keating" demographic, the young conservative played by Michael J. Fox from "Family Ties", which coincidentally ran from 1982-1989.)

      The fact that our voting culture in those years was Reaganist/reactionary I think somewhat accounts for today's 40-49 year olds' susceptibility to the trickle-down, government-mistrusting garbage that era spawned, as Tuesday's results show.

      I buy the thesis that the political culture of first-time presidential voters shapes their vote later in life.  It doesn't quite hold for FDR (21-year-old) first-timers in 1932 and 1936 (who synch up with Ike) but it does for 1940 and 1944 (who voted for Kennedy and Johnson).  And first-time voters for Clinton in 1992 fall in the cohort that voted mostly for Obama this year.  Hopefullly this carries through to 2016.

      "And now we know that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob." -- FDR

      by Mogolori on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 11:53:33 AM PST

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    •  I suspect they distrust the system being run (6+ / 0-)

      by the older generation and are instead taking a look at it for themselves and not liking what they are seeing. And that's leading them to vote accordingly.

      Vote Tea Party Taliban! Bring the Burqa to America.

      by Pescadero Bill on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 11:56:00 AM PST

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