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  •  of course we do (0+ / 0-)

    and in that moment, we can also define what is "winning."
    being a liar and a puppet isn't "winning."

    i'm not at all against holding feet to the fire, that is our job, i think that is our responsibility and i accept it.    AND we also have a chance to define what is success and what is crap.  and that's where i think the progressive echo chamber went off the rails.  

    not that Obama was lackluster, he was.  but he didn't "lose" on substance.  and that was not pushed by progressives who were too busy echoing 'zomg we lost!' meme.   we are responsible for meme pushing, eh?  yes?   factual memes?

    "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

    by kj in missouri on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 05:13:11 PM PST

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    •  Unfortunately, Substance is Relative (0+ / 0-)

      When Romney turns 180 degrees on every position taken during the primaries, and there is relatively no pushback, the average viewer just tuning will take that to be substance.

      The MSM surely isn't going to engage in forceful pushback, so it's up to the opponent. Obama didn't forcefully make our case in debate 1. He did in debates 2 and 3.

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