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  •  When you look at how people in this country (14+ / 0-)

    self-identify you could come to the conclusion that we're center-right. After decades of hearing liberals demonized, many more people describe themselves as moderate or conservative leaning. But when you delve into specific issues the answer. There was polling on the ACA that clearly showed this. People would say they were against it, but when asked about individual components -- like banning discrimination against pre-existing conditions or allowing people to stay on their family's plan till 26 -- the same individuals were in favor of it. A lot of the problem in this country seems to be presentation and perception, and a center-right media that relies on he-said/she-said doesn't help.

    •  Perfectly said (4+ / 0-)
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      I have a friend who is a conservative. He kept arguing with me about Obamacare and hoped it was repealed.

      We had a sit down over cocktails and I provided the same points you made above. Surprise Surprise, he wasn't aware those elements were part of Obamacare.

      He is still not supportive of it, but now he doesn't support repealing it, just modifying it a bit.

      The media is to blame for much of this misinformation, but Democrats and the President share some of the blame for not showing more leadership and crafting better talking points...and Americans are just too lazy and not interested enough to try to investigate information for themselves.

      We are a center right country on facts now..since they don't matter anymore. Facts are left leaning.

      This is our moment...this is our time! President Barack Obama

      by ankae on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:19:47 AM PST

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      •  The dems have three problems with talking (1+ / 0-)
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        1) We don't do the framing well.
        2) We don't have a central point that fans out faxes to all the news media LIKE THE RETHUGS
        3) The news media and the media in general do not accept our faxes as fillers for their shows. But they do accept GOP faxes and incorporate them not only as filler but as headliners.

        Mostly that seems to be a dem problem, but I am telling you it is a huge media problem and one we need to address somehow. Maybe something like the Levinson Hearings in Britain.

        American Television is a vast sea of stupid. -xxdr zombiexx

        by glitterscale on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:15:59 AM PST

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      •  Well played! (0+ / 0-)
        We are a center right country on facts now..since they don't matter anymore. Facts are left leaning.

        "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

        by gritsngumbo on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:17:45 AM PST

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    •  Monkey see, monkey copy. (2+ / 0-)
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      "Government takeover of health care !!"
      The talking-head monkeys screech it over and over for a couple years.

      The couch potato monkeys follow.

      Anything unusual about that ???

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