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  •  Long before 2000 (10+ / 0-)

    I thought the EC was a crock. The truth is, if Kerry had had a slightly better ground game in Ohio, we would have seen two elections in a row where the popular vote winner lost the election. And that would have been a disaster.

    Get rid of the EC. Have truly national elections, truly national campaigns.  I believe deeply in democracy, and I am more than ready to let the chips fall where they may.

    Conservatives believe evil comes from violating rules. Liberals believe evil comes from violating each other.

    by tcorse on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 10:29:40 PM PST

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    •  I posted this elsewhere...but (8+ / 0-)

      Out  of all the Presidential elections we've had so far....only FOUR had winners that did not get the popular vote.
      Three were in the 1800s (1823, 1876, 1888).  The other was the debacle of 2000, which had flaws not relating to the Electoral college, but the dishonest tactics of the RW.

      So while the Electoral college might be an anachronism, it does seem to work just fine.  As long as nobody (I'm looking at YOU wingnuts) fucks with it.

      I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 40 years!

      by liberalagogo on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 10:58:51 PM PST

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    •  This election changed my mind (15+ / 0-)

      The election turned out to be much less close than the polls indicated.  Still, the national/state polling divide was more or less accurate -- Obama really was leading in almost every swing state while leading nationally by a much smaller margin.

      We now know that this was due to the surgical nature of his campaign.  Obama's team knew exactly where to find the vote and turn it out, and they expended just enough energy to generate 51% of the vote in 9 swing states, and couldn't care less about the margin in the non-contested states.

      So, Obama played the electoral college.  But think about what it would tell us if Romney had managed to gin up more of the Southern white vote and close the popular vote gap.

      It would tell us that the South was on an island, out of step with the rest of the country, and that they were voting in disproportionate numbers on the basis of regional and racial hatred.  The primary function of the electoral college is to account for this.  It smooths out regional imbalances and forces candidates to compete everywhere.

      I sure don't want a bunch of angry pseudo-Confederates turning out in droves and distorting the national vote.  That's why I now see the wisdom of the electoral college.

      •  To amplify (7+ / 0-)

        When tcorse advocated a "truly national election", I agree, but without the Electoral College we need a different way to make it truly national.

        On a straight popular vote, the Democrat will spend all his or her money going from 60% to 80% in California, and the Republican will spend all his time and money raising his vote percentage in the slave states.

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