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  •  Excellent Point... (31+ / 0-)

    ...The bible is a large document.  Some bits contain much wisdom and truth...some are horrific nonsense.

    The fundamentalist fanatics who see it as the beginning and end of all truth...as the "word" of God, are mistaken.

    The same applies to the Koran and all other man made so called "holy books".

    For anyone to believe that that reality of spirit can be contained in ANY text is a kind of delusion, at best.

      •  So does the Bible. (16+ / 0-)

        One of my favorite passages: "Jesus did many other things that were not written in this book.  If they were, I suppose the world could not contain all the books that would be written." John 21:25

        Clearly, there is other Truth to be had that is not in the Bible.

        "The opposite of faith is not doubt. It's certainty."

        by Simul Iustus et Peccator on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:54:40 AM PST

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        •  Ironically for this election (32+ / 0-)

          this quote from John 21:25 is used by the MORMONS to justify the existence and authority of their holy books (AKA the Book of Mormon....which has no contradictions.....and can be used to contradict the Christian Bible; that when two passages conflict the NEWER revelation rules (so New Testament trumps Old, Book of Mormon trumps New Testament, etc.)
          AND....the Book of Mormon has, in effect, "blank pages" at the back, b/c Mormons supposedly believe in "direct revelation", ie, on occasion God speaks directly (and infallibly) to the head of the (Mormon) Church. (Those of you drawing EXACT parallels to Roman Catholicism, stop it! This is the UTAH popes....who are called "Presidents". Completely, entirely different!! After all, NONE of the Mormon Presidents has ever been fluent in Italian...or Latin. So TOTALLY different, ya see?)
                Anyway, when God does this, its a NEW-EST revelation and so trumps the Book of Mormon. Example, late 1880s, the Utah Territory (infested with you know whats) applied for statehood and was DENIED. Why? They allowed polygamy and Congress wouldn't allow it. What to do? What to do, since polygamy was commanded by the Book of Mormon?
                Cazart! God smites the Mormon President with a vision: Polygamy NO LONGER required! Hallelujah! Utah submits NEW territorial Constitution to Congress banning polygamy and becomes a state.
                Example: 1970s. First rung of leadership/hierarchy for Mormons (men only, starting in teens) is "Elder." (That's why these acne-tinged, kids who don't shave yet come in pairs to your door wearing a badge that says "Elder.") BUT, not only did you have to be male to be an elder but you had to be WHITE! Because the Book of Mormon/Joe Smith etc said so.
                Except there had been a few black folk who had joined (I have NO CLUE why) and their men had been denied this opening step on the ladder (which closed the door to ANY chance of moving up.) They sued, over racial discrimination. And the Mormons LOST and LOST on appeal and LOST on appeal of appeal. What to do? What to do? (This could cost a HELL of a lot of money. The suits were BIG!)
               Cazart! God smites the Mormon President with a vision: Whites-only men NO LONGER required! Hallelujah! All court cases are rendered moot and no longer threaten the almighty vaults and wallets of Utah.

          Just filling in a few blanks of what we avoided by voting Romney down.

          Shalom.

          "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

          by WineRev on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 11:29:05 AM PST

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        •  I can't dispute John... (0+ / 0-)

          ...but I can't confirm either, especially since none of the New Testament contains actual eyewitness accounts of anything Jesus DID do.  The earliest of the four gospels was written somewhere around 90 years after the crucifixion.  The majority of the rest was written by Paul, a couple of centuries after the fact.  So at best, this is a transcription of oral history handed down for at least two and probably three (or more) generations by people with limited scientific knowledge.  Many things we take for granted today would have been frighteningly magical in AD 90.  For instance, making light without oil or spark or any apparent effort beyond tripping a switch.  (And can you imagine what they would have made of The Clapper??)

          I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

          by mojo11 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 11:32:18 AM PST

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    •  "holy" books... (7+ / 0-)

      Meh.  Whatever 'wisdom' they contain is buried under so much ignorance, superstition, drivel and brutality that it's hardly worth the effort.  You can find more wisdom in an average self-help book ... and it wouldn't require you to wade through justifications for killing children and drowning cities.  

      •  And in the bible -- god says no man made (2+ / 0-)
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        thing is holy.   So stamping "holy bible" on it is rather dumb and contradictory imho.

        So wafers aren't holy, nor wine/grape juice, nor is there "holy" ground.  Babies are man made --- ergo not holy -- sorry clerics of all stripes.  

        And then there is the "miracle" stuff, some of which is more like magic of witchcraft  --- and bible says don't suffer witches.    What is happening when clerics cast spells to cure folks of whatever?  Witchcraft.

        Vengeance is mine, bible quotes lord as saying.  Yet the flockies want to wreak vengeance themselves here on earth.  Bible also has a couple of good warnings from god/jesus --- about keeping earthly kingdoms and religion separated.   2,000 years and the public piety crowd still haven't learned to READ.

        De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

        by Neon Mama on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:28:51 PM PST

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    •  Except for the book I'm working on, Nick. You will (0+ / 0-)

      all totally love and worship me when it's done, but it is taking so long I may expire before I complete it. Just as well for all of you; priestless dead gods are the easiest to worship.

      Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

      by davidincleveland on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:06:15 PM PST

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