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    I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. -- Susan B. Anthony
    You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. -- Anne Lamott
    Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
    From one of my philosophy profs regarding class essays and logical arguments:
    You may not use God as a 'higher authority argument' because the existence of God can neither be proven nor disproven.


    On Wikipedia the list of fallacies includes 'appeal to authority' under 'Red Herring fallacies.'  Thus, the quote you have is applicable in this case:  If you quote the Bible, you already lost the argument since God can neither be proven nor disproven.  One may point out several areas of the Bible where statements are the opposite of what was previously stated.  In the Old Testament the deity commands the death and destruction of whole villages and populations, every man, woman, and child.  The New Testament calls for 'turning the other cheek.'

    The minister conducting the confirmation classes when I was 14/15 lied to me about why Lutherans were not supposed to dance, spewing the angry retort "They didn't dance in the Bible!" to my repeated why questions about dancing.  I got pissed and read the Bible a chapter a night.  I had just seen The Ten Commandments at a lyceum program in high school, so I knew there was dancing in the Bible (if the pre-publicity for the movie was any indication, it was based in Biblical stories).  Sure enough, right after the crossing of the Red Sea:  "Then Miriam, with her ladies, took up their timbrels and danced."  [They were dancing for joy.]  I showed that to the minister at the next confirmation class session, and if looks could kill, I wouldn't be typing this now.  I continued on and read the entire Bible, cover-to-cover, in my early teens.  Later, in my early 20s, I read it cover-to-cover again (altho I skipped most of Numbers and the begats the second time).  When read cover-to-cover, like any novel, the Bible stories are wonderful literature and poetry, some history.  When fundies start quoting verses (often out of context) what I remember of the Bible stories doesn't sound anything like the non-contextual hatred they're spewing.

    Reading the Bible cover-to-cover, then studying history from that period and including works on anthropology and archaeology and the marvelous artifacts dug up and including the early writing of other civilizations in the same area that pre-date the Bible set me on the path of studying origins of religion..., which eventually, after a number of years, led me to being an atheist, particularly after I read Merlin Stone's When God Was A Woman, and then read the authors in her bibliography (I love bibliographies; they lead me to further knowledge).  [Not saying my meandering path of acquiring knowledge regarding myriad avenues of spirituality or belief is valid for anyone else, just that it was my path.  Everyone else must take their own journey to whatever spiritual destination is appropriate for themselves.]

    Knowledge is a tool of enlightenment.  The more one knows, the less s/he believes the myths of the patriarchal religions and governments and society and their hierarchical systems - and modern laws pertaining to the control of female bodies.  This is why the "leaders" of the reichwingnut religions are so frothing-at-the-mouth hysterically adamant in their anti-intellectual, anti-knowledge crusades.  It's why an early pope decreed that the masses were to be kept uneducated: because ignorant people are easier to control.  ['Ignorant' only means 'unlearned or untaught.'  It does not imply anyone is unwilling or unable to learn anything, so everyone is ignorant about something.  The cure for ignorance is knowledge.  'Willful ignorance,' a refusal to learn, is, in my personal lexicon, under the heading of stupidity.]

    I don't think the reichwingnut religicos are yet done with their anti-intellectual crusades.  They may be sitting around in shock yet after election day, but they're not done battering us over the head with their vitriolic viciousness.  I think they'll come back with something worse than we could ever anticipate since a few of them are still in Congress, and they'll try to get their misanthropic and misogynistic laws passed based on their own brand of religious belief which is often vindictively directed against women and their bodies.

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 01:19:16 PM PST

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