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  •  "I have no truck with" (0+ / 0-)

    is usually used to mean "I want nothing to do with." Is that what you meant? If so, you and that Libertarian Republican guy have a lot more in common with each other than I'd have thought.

    The Baptist Death Ray (wrightc [at] eviscerati [dot] org) "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
    - Edward Young

    by The Baptist Death Ray on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 02:45:25 PM PST

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    •  No, sorry, antiquated use perhaps (6+ / 0-)

      I mean I have no quarrel with. It first came into use in the Middle Ages, more or less, and was quite literally used to mean that one trader's cart didn't care to communicate with another trader's cart -- that they had no business with one another, which is similar to "to want nothing to do with" but more originally meant "had no argument with." Sort of like how the handshake originally meant you weren't armed and then became a symbolic gesture of goodwill which are basically the same thing and yet chasms apart.

      The negative connotation of the term, rather than a more neutral one, apparently came about in the 19th Century. I am trained in an earlier Literary period, however.

      Sorry you read me for a Libertarian-Republican simply because I am an English Professor and subsequently use older terms from time to time, not generally noticing I have done so, in fact. Instead of making a wild leap, next time you don't understand someone's word choice, why don't you just ask. I don't appreciate the smack at my value system, which is decidedly far Left (like almost every single Humanities academic). Given that I'm a Humanities academic in a Blue State and don't much keep up with RW punditry, I'm so sorry that I used an older, subtler version of this idiom and that it was confusing to anyone.

      •  I apologize. (5+ / 0-)

        In my defense:

        "Have no truck with" is a very common expression in the South, so it was my first interpretation. And given some diaries I have read on DKos, it was not an unreasonable assumption to make on my part.

        That said, I was wrong, and apologize for mischaracterizing you.

        (Also, I wasn't labeling you as a Libertarian-Republican, I was comparing you to a Libertarian-Republican featured in a recent DKos article who advocated having nothing at all to do with Democrats, including family members or spouses. I.e., "having no truck with them" in the modern colloquial use. However, I wasn't particularly clear about that either.)

        The Baptist Death Ray (wrightc [at] eviscerati [dot] org) "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
        - Edward Young

        by The Baptist Death Ray on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 03:38:51 PM PST

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        •  No worries at all (5+ / 0-)

          I had no idea it was a popular term in the South! It makes sense though. Lots of cool vernacular from down that way. So learn something new every day. I appreciate your sincerely gracious apology. Can we clone you? More posters on this site could learn something from this exchange. And, we've both learned something new to boot!

          FWIW, I've been teased by my idiomatic use a few times, and like I said, I'm totally guilty of using weird, antiquated words without always knowing I'm doing it or being unclear. Ditto philosophical terms. It took me a very, very long time to understand that "Pragmatic" was a political term with an extremely different meaning than what I was used to from Philosophy and Linguistics both! This confused me for ages.

          The funny part is that, when typing it out, I had a very Shakespearean sort of voice in my head, solemn and staid and slightly lofty. To transpose that to a Southern Right Wing vernacular cracks me up now. Oi vey. I love language and all of its curiosities, truly.

    •  Does the Baptist death ray kill baptists or (2+ / 0-)

      non-baptists?

      Or are you a flat marine animal, one of whose species MURDERED Steve Irwin?

      "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

      by glorificus on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:46:31 PM PST

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    •  Since she is a Hindu, it would be hardly be fair (1+ / 0-)
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      … to expect her to say, "I have no beef with . . ."

      The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

      by lotlizard on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:19:34 AM PST

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