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  •  Agreed on both counts (yours and pluto) (4+ / 0-)

    but that doesn't excuse engaging in what is frankly little better than bigotry.  We can certainly do better.  That's all I'm saying .

    This has been a golden age for confirmation bias. - David Brooks

    by Mindful Nature on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:23:53 PM PST

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    •  No bigotry intended. Really. (13+ / 0-)

      But I was not terribly careful in my messaging.

      You see, many religious leaders and their followers have done so much damage to this nation, especially over the past 40 years -- and very intense damage since 2000 -- that they cannot be redeemed. The deaths from neglect in our health care system, or from lack of stem cell research. The deaths in our obscene wars....

      Did you know that Rumsfeld stapled big Jesus pictures to Bush's daily war briefings? One could go Godwin over something like that, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of murders and the slaughter of more than 5,000 of our own troops.

      I know from breaking research in the neurosciences that we can see this kind of sickness inside the brain with a simple scan. It's not because they are religious. Rumsfeld is not religious -- and Bush is just dumb. It's because they both have brain damage, in Bush's case, from birth. They are susceptible to religious superstition over reality. That is a danger in a elected leader.

      Here's an example of this technology, if you are interested..


      A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

      by Pluto on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:37:51 PM PST

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    •  Not even close to bigotry. (8+ / 0-)

      Religion is an idealogy, not an inherent trait.  No one is born religious, such superstititons need to be hammered into a child's brain in order to be adopted.  

      Thus, religion -- like all ideaologies -- is perfectly fair game for challenge and criticism.  And as a belief system entirely unsupported by factual evidence, it deserves every bit of the scrutiny and even ridicule that it gets.  

      Examining and challenging idealogies is exactly what civilized people do.  

      •  Challenge yes, vilification no (2+ / 0-)
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        We here precisely the same justification for homophobia against the gay lifestyle choice

        Bigotry is about vilifying entire groups for a deep seated characteristic regardless of whether it is inborn.  Believe me people at the receiving end of such attitudes don't really find comfort that it is a choice not inborn

        Take issue with the moral teachings and actions all you want (I do) but calling g people mental defectives is clearly something very different from criticism or disagreement.  

        This has been a golden age for confirmation bias. - David Brooks

        by Mindful Nature on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:52:19 PM PST

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      •  No it is bigotry (0+ / 0-)

        From wiki

        Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot, defined by Merriam-Webster as "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance".[1] Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including age, disability, dissension from popular opinions, economic status, ethnicity, gender identity, language, nationality, political alignment, race, region, religious or spiritual belief, sex, or sexual orientation. Bigotry is sometimes developed into an ideology or world view.

        You are free to disagree with any and all religious beliefs. You free to speak out against their effects. But when you start to go around claiming that a whole group of people have brain damage because they disagree with you then you are, I'm sorry to say a bigot.

        And don't bother telling me how intolerant this group or that group is after the crap I'm reading here.

        Ask top al Qaeda leaders about Obama's foreign policy. Wait, you can't. They're dead. -Paul Begala

        by Fickle on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:24:36 PM PST

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