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  •  WWGD (1+ / 0-)
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    This is as good a guiding principle as any I can think of for a liberal to follow. What would Gandhi do?

    I can assure you that he would be totally dismayed to hear this kind of triumphalist talk coming from the mouths of liberals. This is aside from the fact that it is pretty much delusional to think that the recent electoral victory was sweeping enough to give us the degree of clout needed to accomplish the kind of rout you envision.

    For us to be in a position to subdue the conservatives as thoroughly as you desire we would have to convert a substantial number of  them. You are not going to accomplish this by bashing their heads.

    And then we are not even mentioning that your plan is a sure recipe for electoral disaster going forward. This is not to say that we should lead with our chins or bring knives to gun fights, I am all for being tough where it is due, but we have to pick our fights because the other side is not as dumb as might be imagined. They will take easy advantage of an intransigent attitude on our side. Such a posture would damage us far more than we could damage them by adopting it.

    The world is a den of thieves and night is falling. -Ingmar Bergman

    by Pirogue on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:58:20 PM PST

    •  And working with us gets us (8+ / 0-)

      on the crap end of the stick because they're intransigent.  I say keep pressing the advantage until their party is seen as completely useless for governing.  No, we can't deliver the coup de grace right away, but with the demographics and time on our side, if we keep being the party that does stuff, that reflects people's values and addresses their concerns, the Republicans will only continue to placate the fascists in their wake.

      Whether they are destroyed in 2014 or 2024, as long as they lose power, I'll be happy.  No deals.

      Romney/Caligula 2012!

      by sujigu on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:01:57 PM PST

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    •  I don't agree, Ghandi was all for the complete (4+ / 0-)
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      dismantling of apartheid in S. Africa when he was there, and of the British colonial empire govt. in India. He wasn't for compromising with these bad entities. He just went about it in a brave, nonviolent way.

      •  I agree that he was not (1+ / 0-)
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        compromising in his goals. But he never spoke of destroying people. It was the ideas that drove them that he wanted to eliminate and he had no desire for the demise of those he confronted. His ultimate ideal was to live in partnership, not enmity with the British.

        In short, if Gandhi were involved in American politics of the 21st century he would, IMHO, seek to change conservatives, not destroy them.  He would also understand that given the current social orientation of the country, conversion is the only hope. There are simply too many people who lean toward conservatism to for us to "destroy" them without destroying the country in the process.

        The world is a den of thieves and night is falling. -Ingmar Bergman

        by Pirogue on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:54:34 AM PST

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        •  I get what you're saying and I partially agree (0+ / 0-)

          with it. However, Ghandi kicked out the Brit govt, and didn't try to work with them. He froze them out. We can't really work with today's R party, it has to be dismantled and marginalized. The word 'destroy' may be hyperbole. But until the R's moderate, we can't really work with them. Ghandi tried negotiating with the Brits and it didn't work. That's why he launched his Satyagraha movement for independence. Early on, his goal wasn't indepedence but greater autonomy and the end of abuses of power by the British. He tried that for awhile, he was a lawyer and also tried getting justice through the courts. He came to the conclusion that none of these worked, so he started the satyagraha movement, and it wasn't even until later in the movement that he decided independence was the only way for Indians to self govern. He didn't seek the 'destruction' of the Brits, but he sought to boot them out because you couldn't work with them. We're just about to that point with the R party. Yes, they are part of the government but until they change, it is fairly useless to work with them.

    •  I see what you're getting at & partially agree. (0+ / 0-)

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