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  •  big but (4+ / 0-)

    I don't think the Democratic Party can survive a GOP Civil War intact.  We've kinda had a taste of this in recent history...when each of the Parties had a period where they controlled the Presidency and both Houses.  Fissures formed.
    We are going to sooner rather than later coalesce again  roughly into 2 narrowly divided  factions + fringe, hopefully two factions engaged in the "art of the possible" and working (as Rachel Maddow said) on feasible solutions to problems that actually exist.  
    I think that would be a good thing.   But if you think Dems are just going to party on the beach while the Republic drift out to see, disappearing over the horizon...you are going to be disappointed, maybe deservedly so.

    •  Perhaps (3+ / 0-)
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      I think the moderate GOP will attract some of the blue dogs...but that the dems will then be able to accomodate the progressives more.

      In the end, perhaps 3 parties--conservative, moderate, and liberal.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 01:33:23 PM PST

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    •  Populist vs Corporate (2+ / 0-)
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      Much of what you forecast occurs only if one of the splintering factions of the Republican coalition adopts a hard populist program while muting the social issues concerns.  Such a new party might attract many from the Democratic coalition who have eaten too many cat food dinners because of fiscal cliffs and austerity being crammed down their throat.  Could the Republican emigres bring themselves to accept Democrats who don't agree on social issues, given their authoritarian bent?  That topic likely will fuel graduate degree studies for many decades as we move forward.

      "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

      by PrahaPartizan on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 02:19:34 PM PST

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      •  Dems jumping ship ? (0+ / 0-)

        Sounds like you and others here are envisioning blue dog-styled Dems jumping ship to the GOP to join a centrist-friendly faction on that side.  Is that the most likely/frequent scenario, or will this GOP faction recruit these types (what I am calling Red Dogs) from its own ranks?  The latter is my assumption, but either way it will be interesting fer sure.

        "And once again, the forces of niceness and goodness have triumphed over the forces of evil and rottenness." --Maxwell Smart

        by emobile on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:34:08 PM PST

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        •  Actually Not Very Centrist (1+ / 0-)
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          I wouldn't envision the faction being discussed as being centrist.  It would actually be more left-of-center, since it would exhibit a very populist sensibility.  It might be centrist on social issues,  but it would be quite leftist on economic issues.  From that perspective, it would appeal more to green dog Democrats than blue dog.  The blue dog Democrats are more likely to break for the corporate focused Republican faction.

          "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

          by PrahaPartizan on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 12:01:23 AM PST

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