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View Diary: The First Shots Fired in the Coming GOP Civil War? (283 comments)

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  •  The reason why (5+ / 0-)
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    Empty Vessel, native, HCKAD, AoT, lotlizard

    they are talking about putting revenues on the table is that they realize how much they screwed up by not taking the Grand Bargain that Obama offered them in 2011.  He's offering $1 revenue for $2 spending cuts and putting "entitlement reform" on the table, which is the Republican wet dream.

    If the Democrats cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, or some combination of the above, the civil war we should be worrying about is the one that will break out in the Democratic party. If they fail to come through on immigration reform or bills for the unions, same thing.  I think the D party has one more chance to stop screwing their base.  We'll see if they come through and if they are able to come through given the obstructionist Republicans.  Republicans will only budge on things they see as an advantage to them.  In exchange for allowing a little bit of revenue, tax increases, they might get two Republican dreams -- cuts to entitlements and a flatter tax code with a cut in corporate tax rate.  That is something they couldn't even do for themselves even when they controlled everything because the Left would rise up so strongly against it. But if a Democratic pres and senate do it, it can get done through a huge betrayal to their own base.  Republicans would be crazy not to take that deal. They were crazy not to take it in 2011 but Boehner was too stupid to see what he had in his hands.  His party has helped him see the light on that since then.


    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 02:31:18 PM PST

    •  Not sure what, if anything, this has to do (2+ / 0-)
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      edwardssl, Aquarius40

      with my diary...but welcome.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 02:34:10 PM PST

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    •  Obama has kept his support (1+ / 0-)
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      If the Democrats cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, or some combination of the above, the civil war we should be worrying about is the one that will break out in the Democratic party. If they fail to come through on immigration reform or bills for the unions, same thing.
      I honestly don't think this is the case - from a purist liberal point of view, Obama's first term wasn't that exciting (both stimulus and healthcare were compromises), and some stuff out of his control was pretty bad (Citizens United ruling).

      Yet, Obama has won and maintains a huge advantage - by tacking center wisely, he prevents any moderate GOP opponent from taking his ground.  Either the Republican fights vigorously for the center (in which case, their ass is chewed by the teabaggers) or they tack center at the end and, like Mittens, look completely insincere.

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      by sacrelicious on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 11:28:39 PM PST

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