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  •  "Catholic fundamentalist"? (2+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse, Miggles

    There's no such thing.  In Catholicism, the Bible, while central to the faith, does not have the literal authority it does in Fundamentalist Protetant religion.  Even the most conservative Catholic cleric will admit that the Bible is subject to interpretation.

    -5.13,-5.64; If you gave [Jerry Falwell] an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox. -- Christopher Hitchens

    by gizmo59 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 06:38:11 AM PST

    •  Catholic fundamentalism (4+ / 0-)

      Protestant fundamentalism might originally have held the "scripture only" principle (but then so did many mainline Protestant religions) -- but it involves more than this in today's politico-religious form.

      Any religion can have its own variety of "fundamentalists" -- Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism.  Cathoic fundamentalism, loosely defined, involves a belief that the 2nd Vatican Council adulterated the true church, that its reforms should be rolled back, and that the Church hierarchy's positions on personal moral issues (abortion, gay marriage, birth control) and ecclesiastical issues (no married priests, no women priests) but not social moral ones (war, social and economic jusstice, death penalty) should be rigidly enforced (and never ever abandoned or changed).

      •  Defined this way, (3+ / 0-)

        I can understand what is meant by the phrase.  I'm still not sure I would call such a person a "fundamentalist," but there is no doubt that the psychology that drives the Protestant Fundamentalist and the Catholic that holds fast to pre-2nd Vatican Council doctine are more or less the same.

        -5.13,-5.64; If you gave [Jerry Falwell] an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox. -- Christopher Hitchens

        by gizmo59 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:49:34 AM PST

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        •  The key is the mindset.... (2+ / 0-)
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          gizmo59, mightymouse

          I think the fundamentalist frame of mind is key -- and that specific religious varieties are merely "externals". ;~}

          Of course, a lot more GOP votes in this election came from NON-fundamentalist Protestants and Catholics than from fundamentalist ones.  The question is -- how can Democrats  re-start dialog with these people?  (Meaningful dialog with fundamentalists is, in my opinion, impossible).

    •  Authority is the key to fundamentalism (1+ / 0-)
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      gizmo59

      For Catholics, the authority is the Pope; for evangelical Protestants, i.e. fundamentalists, the authority is the Bible, or more exactly, their particular English translation of the Bible. Very few of them go to the effort of learning Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic to delve more deeply into the meaning of those scriptures. It can be fun to play with their heads by asking them why they trust the translation from which they are quoting. In the end, it all comes down to which human authorities fundamentalists trust, which is a far cry from having "God on their side".

    •  Is adherence to leadership any less (0+ / 0-)

      fundamentalist than adherence to scripture?  No other variant of Christianity has a pope instructing people on what official dogma is.

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