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  •  T & R, but... (9+ / 0-)

    I have one pet peeve with respect to this diary and it is this: too many of us continue to unintentionally help the right by using their framing for issues.  Democrats continue to use right-wing framed phrases like "tax relief," and that hurts our causes more than it helps.  In this diary, you refer to Social Security and Medicare as "entitlements," which is unambiguously right-wing framing.

    Please please please don't use those frames; they strengthen right-wing frames at the expense of left wing frames.

    Otherwise, an excellent diary and a well-made point.

    Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

    by democracy inaction on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 05:35:36 AM PST

    •  Their framing MUST be rejected impolitely (4+ / 0-)

      and NOT discussed.

      This is a lesson from marijuana law reform. Too many reformers waste time trying to deconstruct what are bullshit arguments and frames to begin with.

      One has to start with "That is wrong and stupid: here's the true rundown of the facts and reality on the ground".

      You are so correct that dems and liberals et al waste time responding to republican framing.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 05:57:13 AM PST

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    •  "Death Tax", "Fiscal Cliff", "Far Left", etc. (4+ / 0-)

      Yeah, these terms need to die. For someone on our side to use them is to admit to being more than a little clueless and/or weak. Too many Dems continue to employ these deliberately loaded terms, either not realizing that doing so is self-defeating, or believing, sadly and mistakenly, that doing so will make them seem more "reasonable" and "bipartisan", which is just as foolish.

      We have to make Dems fully own progressive values, in word AND deed, proudly, unapologetically and assertively. THAT is how we win.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 06:54:49 AM PST

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    •  EXACTLY THIS (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      mrkvica, Key6119

      NEVER EVER EVER use their frames even to disagree with them!  Use our frames, and if you don't know what our frames are, ask someone here who does know.

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      Four More Years! How sweet it is!!!

      by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 09:06:47 AM PST

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      •  I agree this effort should be made, but any kind (0+ / 0-)

        of argument will still have some effect. Trust me. Not maybe if you are speaking to the older generation, but young people are going to feel the emotional impact even if they have a knee jerk reaction to the framing. Speaking from experience, here. They'll remember that emotion when they hear it reframed later, and it will add to the punch. Don't refrain from arguing just because you don't know how to avoid using their frames. Do make an effort to learn, but argue regardless! Every little bit helps. Every voice. Every time.

        •  "don't refrain from arguing" (0+ / 0-)

          I would never go that far.  Always talk back!

          But avoid using their memes any way you can because every time propaganda is repeated it gets a stronger hold on the mind.

          "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
          Four More Years! How sweet it is!!!

          by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:15:29 AM PST

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