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  •  i hope you take probiotics (6+ / 0-)

    i'm sure you must

    also megavitamin therapy

    also yogurt

    i take injections of b12 with magnesium for chronic fatigue syndrome.  it targets the mitrochondria energy making pathway.  it might help you.

    i had no idea you were sick gooserock.  hugs from another impaired human trying to stay active.

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    by BlueDragon on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:30:30 AM PST

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    •  I had just read something similar to this (5+ / 0-)

      diary- along the same lines... and they say that probiotics do not do anything (in regards to repopulating our guts). Neither does eating yogurt.

      Here is the link to the article.

      Interestingly enough, fecal transplants are being investigated as a means for restoring gut flora.

      •  I've had problems with candida for years (6+ / 0-)

        You can have a "slightly elevated" presence of candida according to doctors, but it can wreak havoc with your gut if you have a compromised immune system (I have no spleen or tonsils).  After cutting out all refined sugars and strictly limiting quick sugars like potatoes and corn, and hitting candida with a variety of herbal treatments and sometimes, for a limited time, anti-fungals, I got much, much, much better.  Digestive problems are immensely complex and hard to solve, and this diary goes a long way to explaining why that is so--we are a balance of micro-organisms that cannot be eliminated, but must be rebalanced, and that is hard, so hard to do in today's food culture (pre-prepared, fast, sugared, corn based, full of chemicals untested in the wild).  It took me nearly 5 years to find out what the problem was, then another 5 or 6 years getting into balance, and learning how to stay there.

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        by monkeybrainpolitics on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 02:21:58 PM PST

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      •  depends on the supplement and the person... (6+ / 0-)

        most of the probiotic bacteria do not survive the acid in the stomach... but some supplements use the spore version of one type... so in that form it is dormant and unharmed by stomach acid and only becomes active in the different chemical environment of the duodenum and beyond. Other pills have a special coating that is impervious in the stomach and protects the bacteria within.

        But again do they do any good if enough survive the passage through the stomach to repopulate the gut? ... for many the answer seems to be yes... and which strains are included in the supplement may make a difference too. More than one type and complementary ones may be better than one or two strains only. And then... the complexity of intestinal flora in each person is a whole larger issue... how it is suited or out of balance with their genetics and life and health history is a guessing game. Some people may gain real improvements... some may just think they do (they got better anyway)... and who knows some conceivably got worse...

        Until they really understand the main strains in our guts... they will not really be able to know when an imbalance is to blame and what the cause of that is and then how to re-balance it.... they do now think there are several different gut "ecologies" in human beings.... that world wide even given the huge number of species that inhabit our guts... there are a number that are dominant... and just like ecosystems in the larger sense there are a small number of different repeating similar "landscapes" with the same basic balance of important dominant species in each... so relating that to your genetics... and specific aspects of that will have to be better understood... to find the type that fits you best and how close or far you are from that optimum balance.... due to diet or disease or antibiotics etc...

        And the whole general concept is similar for our skin and even different areas of our epidermis have different flora in different balances... and our genetics and what we eat all have an effect AND even if we wash too much and use the wrong soaps & shampoos.

        Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

        by IreGyre on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 03:00:36 PM PST

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