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  •  My alma mater (6+ / 0-)

    ...my workout space for the previous school year.  If it reaches the hearing level, I will have to try to figure out a way to go.  Shy the grace of some extremely well paid gigs between transition and returning to school, and all the doctors that bought, I could easily have been her.

    I would be happy to bake  up a big cyanide pie for anyone with a problem with her.  But that might be an argument against as topic :}

    ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

    by jessical on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 04:15:19 PM PST

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    •  There is not even unanimity among... (6+ / 0-)

      ...transwomen on this incident.  Jill Page, for instance, is arguing that the washroom issue is different from a dressing room issue.

      •  Bullshit. (6+ / 0-)

        I used the community college locker room without a problem. And since I lost ten pounds with my top surgery I was obviously not physiologically conforming at that time.This is about people not minding their own business.

        "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

        by Horace Boothroyd III on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 04:31:31 PM PST

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      •  I think... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...that there are actually a host of issues.  TESC has awful policy for trans inclusion -- they are all up on the new pronouns, but have terrible institutional policies imnsho, because the school dislikes formal authority and clear boundaries.   I'd argue that they should have thought this one out, but they didn't, and here we are.  

        However, a lot of our battles here in the PNW occur in the context of liberal mush, and hopefully the end result won't be evil.  If you're preop or nonop, are you barred from facility use?   If you're not reasonably paranoid about people seeing your junk, should potentially education-ending attention come down on your head?  The CRC, where all this occurred, last got a meaningful facilities update sometime in the 80s.  They can pretty much either bar her outright or try for a workaround.   The school is barely scraping by as it is, so there will be no improvements that cost money.

        This is very much a town and gown type issue per Olympia, as well.

        I'm mostly with Horace here.  

        ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

        by jessical on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:37:32 PM PST

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        •  I'm with both of you... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...but I have also had the words of some other transwoman thrown in my face before over the issue of equal access to public accommodations.  It was not a comfortable position to be in.

          •  What I've seen evolve... (2+ / 0-)
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            ...over the last decade here in the northwest (with, granted, three years or so on my part off in the bay area) is the idea that if your ID says "F", then you use the women's facilities, if it says "M" you use the men's, and people may twitch, but they cope.  I have yet to be in a liberal cis group around here that freaks on that too badly, though I'm sure it is possible.  

            TESC is probably going to argue self-identification.  They will win or lose on that.  I suspect they will win, since it is their facility, and signs will go up, and so on and so forth.  And indeed, that is in keeping with the rhetoric of much of our movement.    I guess that is interesting, albeit not my own preference per civil rights progress, and all to the good.

            What really bothers me is that this chica has become a football.  Or, given TESC, a frisbee.  All these articles about how it is right or wrong.  But honestly...there is not much real campus support for her, I can testify to that very directly.  I hope she gets to finish her degree.  I hope people reach out to her.  

            ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

            by jessical on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:53:42 PM PST

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      •  PS (2+ / 0-)
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        We have moments of unanimity? :}

        ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

        by jessical on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:45:20 PM PST

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