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  •  media NOT conservative - not at all (12+ / 0-)

    stop giving life to this bullshit.

    The media are guard-dogs and water-carriers for power and money (major media are owned by those with money and power) - has nothing at all to do with conservatism.

    Carrying water and doing the bidding of Norquist, Koch and all those assholes - none of whom is conservative (this is correct grammar btw - none means not one) in the true sense.

    They're pigs at a trough and the media is there to keep guard and keep the hoi-polloi away from said trough.

    Conservatism? Media is about money - nothing more or less

    •  Then what is conservatism? (11+ / 0-)

      The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

      by Upper West on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 01:58:45 PM PST

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      •  that's a good question (10+ / 0-)

        it used to mean something a long time ago in far off place.

        -You want to change the system, run for office.

        by Deep Texan on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 02:06:26 PM PST

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      •  Conservatism=Don't climb down the tree to the (5+ / 0-)

        ground,don't leave the trees and go out in the open,crawl on all fours don't walk,Walk don't Run,RUN from Fire don't Play with it,eat raw meat don't burn it first,hunt&eat cooked meat and wild plants don't stay&plant food an raise meat,don't hunt meat stay and Farm,Walk&run don't climb up on that beast and "Ride",ride your Horse/Camel/Buffalo to drag your Meat&Grains to market don't use that new fangled round thing for 'em to pull,lot's of don'ts do that,Horseless Carriages are a fad,if men where meant to fly God would have given us wings,Who needs to go to The Moon the Earth is all we need,Don't live in Space live on the Ground an so-on an so-on to Who needs to go to another Galaxy stay in this Galaxy it's all we need to well So-on&so-on.

        •  great comment! (1+ / 0-)
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          in every tribe there are the hotheads and the watchers, the prudent ones, the risk takers and those who skip the first iterations until they are sure it won't lead to unexpected worse consequences.

          that's all it means really, and we're all the same tribe.

          terminology is always problematic, even before some machievellian language re-tooler has started messing with the levers.

          the word 'liberal' is equally misused and misunderstood. i find 'generous' is a good enough synonym, but it can be used to mean generous to vested interests, aka neo-liberal, so there you go.

          sophistry is one of the dark arts, and the pernicious results of it are all around us, even if the new name for it is 'spin'.

          great diary, i found myself nodding and cheering at the end. de-sensitisation starts with cartoons and war toys, and it is the gradual theft of the natural human quality of empathy, which if not nurtured and modeled can be all too easily buried under learned behaviors of bigotry, hate, rage and the rest of the pathologies so evident in the character of the republican party today.

          wish i could rec it more than once!

          why? just kos..... *just cause*

          by melo on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 09:31:49 AM PST

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    •  I think preserving power and wealth is pretty much (25+ / 0-)

      a "conservative" position.  Corporations and conservatives run hand in hand, don't they?

      You could count the number of huge liberal corporations on one hand, if any.  Didn't Ben & Jerry's sell out some time ago?

      What is conservative?  Preserving the status quo. What is the status quo?  Wealth and power.  

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 02:22:59 PM PST

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    •  Not traditionally conservative, true (10+ / 0-)

      But, they have defined "conservatism" as "extreme libertarian authoritarianism" on their own - they call themselves conservatives in the public sphere.

      Old-style conservatives are markedly different from the far-flung leadership and their noise machine followers, but it's still the label they cling to.

      By carrying the water of powerful backers/influencers, traditional media groups offer representation of that "new conservativism" in the public sphere as if it's somehow reasonable to consider, when - as the diarist notes - it's batshit extreme in an objective sense.

      And, let's face it, if new conservatives are actually extreme libertarians with authoritarian tendencies, the large media groups fall into that bucket now, too.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 03:31:45 PM PST

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      •  How exactly did the cons of 1936 differ from 2day? (1+ / 0-)
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        Not much IMO.

        Conservativism usually means monarchism, or support for  some other authoritarian socio-econ-gov-by-the-worthy arrangment.  Since the US no hereditary artistocracy, US conservatism has always defined that arrangment with the wealth as the measure of 'worthiness'.  Think the Pre-Civil War South and plantation aristocracy.  When slavery was outlawed, the measure became how many wage-slaves you owned (corporations) or could own (the idle rich).

        The idea of conservatism as some kind 'radical individualism' is a modern deciet, peddled by the rich bc - coupled to the self-made myth and various forms of 'prosperity Gospels' (including pre-modern) - it re-affirms their 'natural' 'worthiness' and thus right to obscenely disproportionate wealth and power.

    •  money and power = conservative (3+ / 0-)
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      The media are guard-dogs and water-carriers for power and money (major media are owned by those with money and power) - has nothing at all to do with conservatism.
      Protecting and serving money and power is pretty much the definition of conservatism.

      To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

      by Visceral on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 04:40:14 PM PST

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    •  Defending people in power.... (3+ / 0-)
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      .....is exactly what conservatism is.

      •  Exactly is what it is... (1+ / 0-)
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        You hit it.

        If we're talking about conservatism circa Goldwater '64 we're kind of in trouble... unless you realize that Goldwater in 1964 had more to do with freedom to profit than liberty for all.

        I'm constantly having to redirect my friends as to the realpolitik of our political system - if you look at it as serving profit, the economy, or the drivers of profit and the economy instead of serving the citizen - things become much more clear.

        Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

        by k9disc on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:18:00 PM PST

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