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  •  No. Fruit depart, yase, does NOT mean stillborn. (0+ / 0-)

    w˚yase û ye ladêhâ in the Hebrew means the emergence of a living being, to bring forth, bring out, come forth from. Obviously, the passage is about what happens when there is a premature delivery of a living baby proximately caused by the actions injuring the women.

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    by Kvetchnrelease on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 11:52:37 AM PST

    •  Makes no sense (1+ / 0-)
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      I have not looked into the Hebrew meaning but:

      1) Why pay a fine for causing the birth if everything turned out fine?

      2) If causing a premature birth is a minor crime, why is causing a miscarriage no crime at all?

      3) Given the very high infant mortality rates at the time the likelihood of an injury induced premature birth having a happy outcome must be very low.

      Again, in context miscarriage is what is being described regardless of later spin. No one with half a brain would make a law for the 5%?? chance of an injury induced premature healthy live birth and not cover the 95% of cases where an injury induces miscarriage or the baby dies right after birth.

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      by radical empiricist on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 12:24:45 PM PST

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    •  This is not how the rabbis read that (1+ / 0-)
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      I've read the passage in the original Hebrew many times, and reread it a couple of minutes ago.  The language of the passage is very lucid and clear.

      The full context on the passage makes it fairly clear that we are talking about feticide.  The passage in question appears with a group of laws dealing with property related crimes which are compensated for.  If  it was a live birth, the passage makes no sense.

      The rabbis therefore concluded that the passage treats feticide as a property crime.  The diarist did not quote the rest of the passage, but while the loss of the fetus (literally yaldeihah, "her child") is treated very casually, injury to the woman, even minor injury, is treated in this same passage as far more serious, giving a list that starts that injury to her will be punished "life for life" and ending "bruise for bruise".

      The rabbis were familiar with abortion and hated it.  But there's no reading this passage that makes the fetus and mother remotely equal.  Unlike the passages the Evangelicals like to quote, this one is explicitly relevant to harm to the fetus.  So the halachah here makes the welfare of the mother the core concept correct action should center on.

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      by mbayrob on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 12:44:25 PM PST

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