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  •  Heh. (3+ / 0-)

    I wasn't saying that because it annoys me it shouldn't happen. I'm saying that all it is an annoyance.

    I also love the fact that you point to shooting incidents where a waiting period would've had no impact. Loughner bought his months ahead of time. The Columbine shooters got their's illegally. Memory serves, the others ALSO didn't just go buy a gun and start mowing people down. They planned it.

    I'll admit the LEOs I know aren't that many, but I'm not just talking about local (rural area) LEOs. I've gone to LEO firearms training and a surprising number support civilian concealed carry. Off the top of my head, one was an ex-SWAT officer from the Chicago area, one was a county cop from out in Washington from a mid-sized city, and the other was an FFDO from the Detroit area. It's not statistically relevant, but I've yet to run across a LEO who thinks concealed carry is a bad thing (in person, not online).  

    The rights of the few don't get squashed by the wants of the many. That's why we have a Constitution to begin with.

    Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

    by KVoimakas on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 08:37:00 AM PST

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    •  Obviously you haven't been paying attention. (0+ / 0-)
      The rights of the few don't get squashed by the wants of the many.
      Or since you are male, you don't have to. Every heard of the Republican War on Women? But that doesn't matter, only keeping your guns does.

      One Chicago officer, who got to play with the funnest stuff in SWAT, one county cop in Washington (how many massacres there?) and whatever an FFDO is from Detroit.

      But you'll continue to believe what you want.

      No, a waiting period would not have stopped the incidents I listed. But you and RKBA don't promote actions that would, like better mental heath care - you just scream, "DON'T TOUCH MY PRECIOUS GUNS."

      I'm not saying you are part of the problem, but neither do I see you as part of the solution.

      "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

      by glorificus on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 01:16:44 PM PST

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      •  And yet another falsehood. (3+ / 0-)
        But you and RKBA don't promote actions that would, like better mental heath care - you just scream, "DON'T TOUCH MY PRECIOUS GUNS."
        We regularly advocate for better mental health care -- as well as supporting job creation and ending the disastrous and wholly failed "War on Drugs," to give only two other examples of responses to violent crime regularly advocated by RKBA group members.

        Nor does anyone make the farcical statement, "Don't touch my precious guns."  Claims otherwise are simply false.

        You are simply, yet again, attributing stances to others that they do not take.  This time, though, you go a step further, and deny that others take the stances that they actually do take.

        Falsehood after falsehood after falsehood...

        My own, unasked-for advice -- when you can only support your own stances with outright falsehoods, perhaps it's time to take a closer look at those stances.

        Alternatively, of course, you are here to disrupt discussion simply for the sake of that disruption.  I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and lay your actions to the former motive, but it's getting harder and harder to do so, when you insist on escalating the falsehoods with each further post.

        Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

        by theatre goon on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 01:40:25 PM PST

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        •  Falshood hell, flat out lie, lets call it like it (3+ / 0-)
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          is.....If they have the knowledge of KV and the group they claim then they know damn well that not only KV but just about every damn member has advocated specifically for better mental health care as well as general healthcare for all. If you polled the group I think full blown single payer would win........Though anything over the obscenity that is our current system....

          Most all have advocated for an end to the insane war on ourselves that Nixon then Reagan crammed down our throat with Democratic help all the way.

          We have advocated for jobs and a decent living wage, for womens rights and gay rights and civil rights in general.  I love their sig line....they probably think it a joke, I agree with it wholeheartedly and completely.  More armed women would be a plus for society in general and might put a dent in the rapist demographic....

          When we solve the societal pressures that nurture violence in all forms then we will be getting somewhere.......

          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
          Emiliano Zapata

          by buddabelly on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 02:48:06 PM PST

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          •  Are you talking to me? "they" and "their" are (0+ / 0-)

            plural. And I haven't seen seen you all advocating for what you say, which doesn't mean you are not correct.

            I love their sig line....they probably think it a joke, I agree with it wholeheartedly and completely.  More armed women would be a plus for society in general and might put a dent in the rapist demographic....
            I don't think it's a joke, I think more women with guns and fewer men would be a great step forward.

            I appreciate your thoughts on this.

            "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

            by glorificus on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 03:01:13 PM PST

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          •  I just can't figure out... (2+ / 0-)
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            ...who it is that they think they're fooling with such blatant and nonsensical lies.

            Really, do they think they're working us up?

            We've seen such better trolling than this...

            Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

            by theatre goon on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 03:19:34 PM PST

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      •  How does that not matter? (4+ / 0-)

        When I went to Stupak's town hall, I talked about abortion and The Family (C Street). Abortion should be easier to obtain than a firearm and I'm more of an extremist on that than I am on RKBA.

        FFDO is federal flight deck officer. You know, the guys ARMED IN PLANES.

        I'm laughing at this:

        But you and RKBA don't promote actions that would, like better mental heath care - you just scream, "DON'T TOUCH MY PRECIOUS GUNS."
        I guess you don't read elsewhere?
        Tipped for conversation. (10+ / 0-)
        I think that if we focus on single payer health care, more jobs, education, stop the war on drugs (legalize marijuana), and improve our social safety nets, violent crime of all tops will drop.

        Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

        by KVoimakas on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 10:38:51 AM CST

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        Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

        by KVoimakas on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 02:01:31 PM PST

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        •  Do you think... (3+ / 0-)
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          ...that those engage in this sort of thing really believe that they are outwitting us, or are somehow making us angry?

          Seriously -- it's so... pedestrian... that surely they don't really believe their own "arguments" are really persuasive, or that they are so very witty that people just sit and gnash their teeth at such silliness.

          I mean, if they do... well... that's just sadder than I want to contemplate at the moment.

          Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

          by theatre goon on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 02:17:38 PM PST

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