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  •  I think the argument (0+ / 0-)

    has to be made not enivormental but economically

    For example encourage rail that runs on electricicity (or even better mag lev), encouraging a transition to hybrids or all electric by higher fuel standards. Things like that which make sense and save people money

    The fact is that too many americans live pay check to pay check and big money and the gop use that against them. To me the solution is a bunch of small victories proving that government does work for them not against them

    Also make no mistake, humanity will survive there's little we can do short of total nuclear war to make this planet uninhabitable the question is how many and what kind of life will they have.

    •  Nothing will change (0+ / 0-)

      Ultimately humans are biological creatures subject to the laws of nature and physics. Compress geologic history to a calendar year and industrial civilization exists for the last seven seconds. In that time we have managed to trigger species extinction rates that rival past occurrences caused by catastrophic natural events.

      Humans beings could check themselves, but because we as a whole completely lack any environmental ethic, that's not going to happen. Ergo nature will do it eventually - and nature has no mercy.

    •  Argument shouldn't be 'either / or' (0+ / 0-)

      The environmental risks / challenges should be discussed as supportive of moves that will pay off even if the environmental weren't part of the equation. But, how can you talk about solutions if you don't talk about the problem to be solved?

      Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

      by A Siegel on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 04:08:29 AM PST

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      •  I'm not saying either or (0+ / 0-)

        I'm just saying the most efficient means likely will be economical arguments

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          The combination is absolutely acceptable / preferred on multiple grounds.  I see it quite possible to create strong climate policy that creates huge economic benefits compared to BAU.  See here for why.

          Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

          by A Siegel on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 04:56:23 AM PST

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