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  •  answer=NO. You are mistaken not the poster (12+ / 0-)

    We have no depth for that level
    we really do not

    don't think you know when you don't.
    sorry to be pushy but I'm tired on so many threads explaining the same thing to nearly identical posts to yours "MA is Dem what are you talking about"

    kinda judging the opinion of people who are actually here as stupid/crazy

    We are a small state. The Dems are inbred and local. Capuano would run, Coakly beat him and Brown beat Coakly so that doesn't bode well does it?
    he's small time

    only person with gravitas who could be Brown that I can think of is Patrick
    EVEN if I am wrong it is a VERY LEGITIMATE concern so please don't denigtate it.

    Reid needs to act confident (or Can he really not get it? really?)

    People do not hate Brown...they liked Warren more because she ACED all but the last debate. MA people are loyal they felt bad "firing" Brown, even many non partisan Dems and Dem leaning Independents.

    Brown is a shoe in.

    I try to correct the misimpression that Reid now perpetuates because if we think "hey its MA we have it in the bag" it's just like what happened that caused Coakly to loose  to Brown

    complacency leads to defeat. Dems NEED TO KNOW that IF Kerry leaves that seat is Browns for the taking. That may be ok...but its a fact
    and again, I have no ego attachment to being right but to having others understand the data and flavor of what is actually true here so they can make real judgments of the situtuation.

    otherwise we loose.

    •  As they say on the cape (5+ / 0-)

      "Furriners" trying to tell us Massholes how Mass. politics work would be funny if it wasn't so annoyingly cliche'd in being wrong.

      Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

      by ActivistGuy on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 01:44:00 AM PST

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    •  oops...I meant she aced all But FIRST debate (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Okay, why IS the Mass bench so shallow? (0+ / 0-)

      The pool is enormous. What is the problem there?

      I am progressive. I am liberal. I make no apologies. - Kos

      My political compass: - 8.38,-6.97

      by pucklady on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 02:49:16 AM PST

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    •  Somebody needs to be explaining this (12+ / 0-)

      to the President.  Unless Patrick wants it, a special election is Brown's to take.  Then he gets to defend that seat as an incumbent in 2014, a midterm in where turnout will heavily favor Republicans.  That means Brown's in for good, negating everything Elizabeth Warren does for the next 8+ years.  Great strategy guys!

      Oh, and then you have all the yahoos screaming for Warren to run for President in 2016.  Though unlikely, it's not completely implausible that you could be looking at an all-R Mass senate delegation in 4 years.

      As someone from a neighboring state who gave significantly  to the Warren campaign after the Brown fiasco, could we please stop giving safe D seats to the opposition?  Please?  It's kind of hard to make progress that way.  For myself, in NH, I've got enough on my plate helping defend Shaheen's seat in 2014.  Every dollar I send down there is one I won't be spending on my own representatives.

      •  TRUE but no one listens to me (Lol) inc Coakly! (0+ / 0-)

        Five weeks before election I was frantic trying to reach her campaign.

        saw she'd loose and why

        got laughed at everywhere I tried online and off.

        then she lost
        everyone was surprised

      •  thanks for the backup how do we tell people? (0+ / 0-)

        even people here on Kos push back (even thought they are not in  MA) and dont' believe me. It's exhausting.

        they just say "what are you talking about? MA is Dem sure they have people"

    •  I will delurk & back you up too. (5+ / 0-)

      I think Brown would be very hard to beat at this particular moment. He has the campaign structure and the money already in place which would be a huge advantage.  It used to make me pull my hair but he was liked here to a surprising degree by people who should know better -even though he cost us all dear, is far from the sharpest tack in the box, and showed himself to be a fraud and a bully. Lots of people apparently are happy to vote for handsome, thick bullies, to wit, Mitt.

      He cost himself a great deal in this last election by being uber thick,  a proven liar and a very unpleasant asshole. I think we could be rid of him and his truck and barn coat possibly for good, except for two things. 1) We Massholes are as you say loyal people and while he was overall a destructive to useless Senator, he did just enough grandstanding for certain local interests/issues that it would give his voters, plus some who chose Warren's brains & advocacy in the end a cosy nice feeling if Scott got a seat too.
      2) Everything is in place.  My neighbors can just stick the Brown yard signs back in the hay bales they used last time & haven't gotten around to removing yet.  Ditto entire campaign infrastructure, volunteers, dollars etc.  He just gets back in the truck & goes around smiling & if he doesn't say too much stupid...The Warren campaign was impressive and light years more competent but whom would we coalesce around?

      That said given the way he and the Republicans have damaged & exposed themselves, especially with women, I think given more time any reasonably competant Democratic candidate could beat him easily with enough of the establishment behind her/him.  Mike Capuano didn't lose to Coakley because he wasn't a good candidate so much as because The Powers That Be had already decided it was her turn, especially as many of them were still smarting about Hilary. (I could be wrong about that but it was my impression at the time).  

      •  You UnCloaked! (3+ / 0-)
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        You have many good points...mbe post more often!.That  Brown's machinery are in place, ready to go, is important.

        It's about timing. If this were all happening in a year I wouldn't be as concerned about Brown, as you indicate.

        Thanks for the backup. Dems at National level need to fully understand what they are quite likely giving up in offering Kerry other posts. It is fine they do, fine he takes it, but it needs to be a reality that have to factor in to the equation.

        Hearing Reed "not worried about MA" disturbs me, true or not, because it misleads others. Folks here, for example, in the least.

        the nuances on the ground matter.

        I am a woman and watching Brown's goofy rambling concession speech it was hard to dislike him. Even though I know all the crap he pulled on Warren, which broke their agreement to go negative. He is gifted with charm and likability. If I, who detest so much of what he did, how he voted...and who worked on Warren's campaign....could forget my animosity in the moment it is clear to me many others may forget what they so disliked about him in this campaign.

        Thanks for background about Capuano. I just think if he runs against Brown people will see how far he falls from Warren. My understanding is that he's close to Pelosi and Brown will paint him as part of the Dem machine. I just do not see him winning over Brown and his already formed campaign. All those people ardent for Warren will not be so ardent for Capuano (though I myself voted for him over Coakley.)

      •  glad you understand my point about people (2+ / 0-)
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        wanting to give Brown a seat too! (cozy nice feeling)

        there is something "fair" and "just" and "loyal" about MA voters.....maybe its a very deep conservative streak in not wanting to kick people out once they are in, giving them huge benefit of doubt.

        Not enough people feel screwed over directly by Brown because they did not follow each vote...most people dont know what he does much when he's in DC

    •  Agree completely. (1+ / 0-)
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    •  I couldn't agree more. Please listen to us locals. (0+ / 0-)

      Bostonian here. If Kerry leaves, Brown will sit in his seat. Count on it.

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