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  •  As would I. By all means, raise my taxes. (0+ / 0-)

    That said, if it takes a small increase in eligiblity age to make the tax rates go up, I'm fine with that.

    Let me ask you the same question I asked Joe- Republicans offer to raise the to prate to 60% in return for a 2 year increase in age. Still turning it down?

    "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

    by Whimsical on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 05:42:37 PM PST

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    •  Yes. (11+ / 0-)

      Still turning it down. Not interested in balancing the budget on the backs of working Americans.

      But really, that's a Jack Bauer "ticking bomb" scenario. In other words, nonsense.

      If the upper tax rate goes up to 60%, why would there be any need to raise the SS retirement age along with it?

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 05:51:39 PM PST

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      •  Then youre unwilling to compromise. (0+ / 0-)

        And therefore irrelevant to the discussion.

        Make no mistake, there WILL be a compromise.  But there's a way to fight for the best compromise possible; and sticking your fingers in your ears and going "Nope. No cuts. never. ever. nope. no way. no how." aint it!

        "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

        by Whimsical on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 05:53:56 PM PST

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        •  If I thought that any proposed "modifications" (16+ / 0-)

          to Medicare or Social Security would be devised by good progressives with clean hands and pure hearts, interested only in making the numbers work for the benefit of working Americans forever, I might be willing to wait and see what they came up with.

          That ain't what this is about. These cuts, if we allow them to happen,  have nothing to do with any concern about the "deficit"... and everything to do with another round of knee-jerk "bipartisanship."

          Been there, done that. Really don't need the t-shirt.

          When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

          by PhilJD on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 06:11:15 PM PST

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        •  Reading through this thread, you frame (6+ / 0-)

          the issue now as "you won't compromise", therefore I won't listen to you?

          You've given false choices here:

          1. Raising the taxes on the wealthy is more important that our social safety net.

          2. Raising taxes for everyone to get the wealthy to pay their patriotic fair share is your goal.

          And finally:

          RAISING TAXES WHILE CUTTING BENEFITS IS THE ONLY CHOICES WE HAVE.

          I think I need a drink now and dammit, I've been sober for over 23 freaking yrs!

          You're logic is flawed.  So are your false choices. And so are your goals.

          How about a balanced approach? Say the most wealthy pay the 28% in taxes that I do, no deductions, no tax havens, no blind trusts? How about that?

          How about penalizing corporations for offshoring jobs? Raise their tax rates to 70% for every American job they send to a slave labored nation?

          Let's look at the corporate tax rates that average 15%, why's that again? Why does GE not pay any taxes and yet had $14.2 Billion in profits?

          You'd have us believe that it must be capitalism for the poor and socialism for the most wealthy? Corporate profits are sacrosanct? After all, they'll create jobs if we keep letting them rape and pillage!

          I don't buy into it and haven't for a very long time!

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 12:05:12 AM PST

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    •  Your choices lead to what again? (6+ / 0-)

      The working poor being squeezed even more? Forever working because they can't afford not to work?  Forever poor just so the most affluent pay a little extra?

      Hey, if we raise the age of eligibility, maybe they'll die on the job and won't collect...perfect!

      After all, it's best for everyone if they just die while working, preferably not at work, that might hurt the business.  

      Living a life of quiet desperation, right???

      http://www.walden.org/...

      The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. What is called resignation is confirmed desperation. From the desperate city you go into the desperate country, and have to console yourself with the bravery of minks and muskrats. A stereotyped but unconscious despair is concealed even under what are called the games and amusements of mankind. There is no play in them, for this comes after work. But it is a characteristic of wisdom not to do desperate things.”

      Is this what you ask of us, so that you can get your empty pound of flesh from the most wealthy?

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 12:43:35 AM PST

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