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  •  And I genuinely understand it. (4+ / 0-)
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    volleyboy1, corvo, Larsstephens, CwV

    I have friends in Israel who have been very personally hit, too. I also was lucky enough to befriend a young woman who had come here from would-be Palestine, a long time ago, who was really rather traditionally Muslim, and with whom I had amazingly productive discussions about her growing up, about feminism and Islam, about current states of extremism all around, about her fears as a child.

    It's a deep pain, all of it, and I can only wish I knew how to get to something that would stop it from worsening. I don't, I just do think that the relationship of the hardest lines on both ends, to each other -- that feeds the whole loop, while the everyday people live in fear and suffering.

    I have seen a growing antisemitism among some of my lefty friends here -- something I genuinely don't say lightly, at all -- and I despair at it hugely, because simultaneously, I have watched shit like the tone-deaf-as-hell (to put it kindly) anti-"Jihad" ads taken out on city buses feed the loop, too.

    I don't know where we go from here.

    •  Sigh... Thank you for acknowledging that side (3+ / 0-)
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      of the argument when you say this:

      I have seen a growing antisemitism among some of my lefty friends here -- something I genuinely don't say lightly, at all -- and I despair at it hugely,
      and I totally despair at the Islamophobia and bigotry against Arabs and Muslims that comes from my side. It disgusts me to see fellow Jews acting just like those they say hate us.

      I agree with this as well:

      It's a deep pain, all of it, and I can only wish I knew how to get to something that would stop it from worsening. I don't, I just do think that the relationship of the hardest lines on both ends, to each other -- that feeds the whole loop, while the everyday people live in fear and suffering.
      Well, I guess it starts with discussions like this that can sometimes lead to mutual trust and from that can grow negotiations that can withstand the hard liners on both sides.

      "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

      by volleyboy1 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 04:47:35 PM PST

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      •  On the acknowledging things (4+ / 0-)
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        Seriously, I wish some of the lefty left -- understand, I'm a socialist with radical leftist thought in my blood, so I'm not using that as an epithet -- would really think harder and listen harder, because yes, I do see it, with the veil frankly kind of ever-thinning in some places and on some topics.

        I mean -- I could tell some local stories... just, wow. "Tone deaf" is kind.

        This is one of those discussions where I usually wind up pissed off at nearly everybody. I value people trying to listen to each other and think, even if conclusions aren't always the same. And that's getting harder and harder to find, sadly, though I think that it's still about the extreme points of view being loud more than common.

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