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  •  Why can't these nutcases understand... (5+ / 0-)

    we are a democratic republic, not some Bronze Age theocracy? In a free country there is equal protection under the law for all citizens. This type of religion by its very nature is anti-democratic.  These people need to get over these centuries old fairy tales and grow up though that is not likely to happen any time soon. Sheesh!  

    •  Yes, they are anti-democratic. They're theocratic (1+ / 0-)
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      like our Puritan forefathers. They're a crazy, scary bunch who are working to bring about their terrible vision.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 06:28:29 AM PST

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      •  They aren't really Puritans... (2+ / 0-)
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        which in a way makes them even more scary.  The Calvinist Puritans, and today's closest analogue (Christian Reconstructionists) also believe that they are supposed to institute a theocracy.  However, even the most ardent Christian Reconstructionist does not believe they will actually incarnate Christ or become God.

        The NAR will.  They believe that once the world is brought under the authority of their apostles and prophets ("God's government" in the video), the elite group of super-overcomers who make this happen, otherwise known as the "new breed" "manifest sons of God" or "corporate Christ" will become so anointed and perfected that they will incarnate Christ's return and BECOME GOD.

        In short, Puritans did not believe that they would become immortal on earth or become God.  When you believe that you will become or maybe even are immortalized, you have nothing to lose.

        Also, these guys are political opportunists.  They will partner with anyone, R or D, who will give them the time of day.  They have not explicitly fused the Republican party with their movement in their point of view.  One NAR prophet from the Every Nation movement laid hands on a Democratic governor several years ago.  The same guy also said that while he appreciated GWB he wanted to disciple the next president.  That's what they REALLY want, regardless of party.

        If you notice, the NAR are not saying that Obama is a Muslim like other Religious Right leaders are.  In fact, according to this video they seem more glad that Obama was elected than Rmoney.  They believe that Obama is a Christian (though nominally in their worldview) and just needs to become "born again."  "Born again" in NAR parlance means coming under their influence and authority.

        Like Christian Dem, I'm another former member of Every Nation, another NAR group.  At the time I was there, it was called Morning Star International.  I believe at one time they were going to join with Joyner's organization but they didn't, so they eventually changed the name.  Christ is also characterized as the "bright and morning star" in Revelation, which is where the name supposedly comes from.  But it is still creepy because "morning star" also describes Lucifer.

        •  It still boggles my mind how they'd work with Dems (0+ / 0-)

          since in my view, the NAR's agenda could not be less consistent with what we as Dems stand for.  But then again, these people have started to get behind causes that look perfectly laudable at first.

          When I was in Every Nation (which was called Morning Star International at the time I was a member), the campus ministry I was in was the only remotely racially integrated Christian group at Carolina.  The breakdown was something like 80 percent white and 10 percent black.  And their church was pretty integrated as well, and I remember reading a few years ago that it's now majority-minority.  That's one thing I will say for them--they walk the walk and talk the talk on integration.  For instance, their youth pastors are an interracial couple--a guy and gal I met at Carolina.  You don't see that too often in the South.

          Romney-Ryan: America's Rollback Team

          by Christian Dem in NC on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 07:27:27 AM PST

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