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  •  I don't know if Obama gains or not (4+ / 0-)
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    by letting us fall off this horrific precipice from which we can never ever recover, but I think that he thinks that he gains by appearing to be eager to not let us go over it and willing to make "tough choices" to avoid it. The only question then is whether this is just for show, or whether he's serious about wanting to cut a deal this year, and if it's the latter, how much he's willing to negotiate away to get it.

    Personally, I think that he could care less whether a deal is cut pre or post-cliff, so long as it's the best deal possible. And I think, and I think that he thinks, that the way to get the best deal is to seem eager to cut a deal pre-cliff, and willing to offer a lot to get one, without actually offering a lot, such that Repubs have to choose between a deal they don't like now or an even worse deal they'll hate post-cliff, when they'll be the ones blamed.

    If they're smart they'll take what he offers now, but since they're not smart, as we all know, they'll probably reject it, only to come back at the 11th hour, or a week or two into our post-cliff national nightmare, trying to cut a worse deal for them. Every time Obama can get them to back off, the deal gets worse for them the next time around. This is what you do with a party of delusional idiots who don't realize what a bad hand they're holding. Keep getting them to make worse and worse bets, then make them fold, and collect the pot.

    Obama has to stand firm. Offer them something because the public and pundits expect it, but not enough for them to agree to it, putting the blame on them when each round fails. Played right, Obama might well end up getting them to agree to lower the retirement age to 12. Ok, I'm being greedy. 16 and not a year older!

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 07:20:06 PM PST

    •  Yeah. That's how I read things intially. (1+ / 0-)
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      For example, you see some House progressives being pretty open about going over the cliff. I get the play. But I suppose what kind of sends me into WTF? mode is that the president and pelosi and reid are insisting on a deal before Christmas and using the threat of ruining Christmas to get it.

      I'm starting to think that perhaps the president wants to avoid any of this getting entangled with the debt ceiling. Maybe because Boehner knows the President wont be in the mood to negotiate over the debt ceiling again, giving Boehner the opportunity to get on the strong side of his caucus.

      So if the president is betting Boehner wants to use the debt ceiling to negotiate entitlement and tax policy, why wouldn't the president want to get tax and entitlement policy out of the way now in order to have a quiet ceiling vote?

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