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  •  The problem for Gallup is other pollsters (4+ / 0-)
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    were better. In fact, I think no poll showed Romney better than a +1 lead in their final polling(Ras also had Romney by 1).

    Pew and ABC/WaPo were exactly right at Obama +3, and I think PPP was Obama +2 or +3.

    •  I understand that (1+ / 0-)
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      but most of the error was not a result of the actual polling, but of their skewed interpretation of their own polling.

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      by InsultComicDog on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 12:41:42 PM PST

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      •  Particularly the nutty LV screens (2+ / 0-)
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        that are now thoroughly discredited.

        For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

        by Anne Elk on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 01:06:09 PM PST

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      •  Right, but that's an important part of polling (2+ / 0-)
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        Getting the LV screen correct. Gallup was off by about 4 points, while other pollsters were accurate with their LV screen.

        As someone noted on election day, it seemed like Gallup was trying to have it both ways with an RV model showing Obama up, and LV with Romney up.

        •  I guess what I'm saying is (0+ / 0-)

          they don't need to overhaul what they are doing top to bottom... mostly they just need to reconsider what it means to be a "likely voter".

          I think almost all of the likely voter modeling was wrong for almost all pollsters, and wrong in the Republican's favor. Gallup did the worst in this category (although unskewedpolls.com went a few steps further yet into crazy land).

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