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  •  wow (6+ / 0-)

    You know Israel would gladly sit down and talk...they've agreed to peace deals up the wazoo...and always there are palestinian militants mucking it up.

    If you really want to blame someone for the blood shed it should be these militants who want the endless war because their beliefs are so embedded in their religion and the destruction of Israel, despite their people's suffering.

    A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people ... restore their government to it's true principles.

    by maddrailin on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 09:25:01 AM PST

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    •  Embedded in their religion and in their poltics (4+ / 0-)

      From  the Hamas charter:

      the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!
      Any reference to Hamas discussing peace, while this remains part of their charter is disingenuous.
      •  I mean (2+ / 0-)
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        it's like a little kid poking a bees nest and then wondering why he got stung.  

        Well, kiddo it's cause you poked the bees nest.

        In this case they keep poking and poking.  I don't know what they seriously expected to happen?

        A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people ... restore their government to it's true principles.

        by maddrailin on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 09:39:23 AM PST

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        •  Yeah, I can take it the other way (0+ / 0-)

          a buncha kids launching rockets into a land that has nukes, smart bombs, tanks, etc. and expecting anything different.

          This as about as stupid an argument in favor of the Palestinians as any I've read. I suggest you look around and find some actual thinkers and adopt their arguments. It amy not be original but it may be effective.

          47 is the new 51!

          by nickrud on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:16:22 PM PST

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        •  my apologies (0+ / 0-)

          I don't necessarily agree with everything you've said...

          but my last reply to you was completely misdirected. I'm sorry.

          47 is the new 51!

          by nickrud on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:19:11 PM PST

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          •  if you read my comments (0+ / 0-)

            I'm referring to the palestinians again and again attacking Israel, not the opposite.  They keep shooting at Israel and then seem surprised when they shoot back

            A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people ... restore their government to it's true principles.

            by maddrailin on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 05:45:55 AM PST

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      •  Worried about (0+ / 0-)

        trees and rocks talking?
        I think we are OK for now

    •  Netenyahu is not serious about peace, (3+ / 0-)
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      nor are some Hamas members/allies.

      They each want their own, uncompromising vision to win, eventually - so, back and forth, violent dancing and posturing happens in the meantime.

      To be sure, this situation has been perpetually good for Netenyahu and his peers and he has a history of insincere promises in early negotiations, I feel; in each case, he pulls back on more open conditions as constructive possibilities come into view or simply lets significant items to discuss - e.g., settlements - move forward and poison his possible intentions.  Hamas was practically formed on this kind of violent division, even more explicitly.

      Israel is getting bombed on a semi-regular basis and they deeply respond with superior firepower at times, which feeds the next few mortars/rockets . . . and the cycle becomes a true circle of mutually assured violence, oppression and hardened sides.  Given the effect of Israel's "occupation" and siege/victim mentality on both sides, it's hard to tell who is fomenting this cycle more, these days.

      Typical negotiations have proven ineffective here, so I don't blame Obama for staying out of the middle on the public stage right now: politically empowering either side too much has always been a losing position at the time.

      I'd imagine anything we're attempting right now in this region is mostly behind the scenes, but with intractable elements on both sides, a powerful military and far-right government that benefits from a constant state of proactive defense within the larger region, plus loads of political implications abroad, it will probably take a long time to find a solution where power, territory and trust are less violently shared.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 10:36:42 AM PST

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