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  •  Just sad and pathetic, inhumane Israeli brutality (1+ / 0-)
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    Sad sad sad day.

    May the oppressed occupied Palestinians remain strong. Apartheid was defeated, colonialism (Boston Tea Party and emancipation of the African continent) was defeated, slavery died off , and so did Jim Crow, and so will this Israeli hegemony.

    •  Except for the fact that (0+ / 0-)

      The Israelis have a big brother in town, plus probably 250+ nuclear weapons. And Brian can start his broadcast with "It appears that children at The Arafat School for Crippled Children will have a little something extra in their terrorist provided milk: Strontium 90. More from Andrea Mitchell at the Pentagon". Join the factual community. Israel's going nowhere anytime soon.

      •  Don't be silly. (0+ / 0-)

        Israel's nukes aren't meant for use against her neighbors.  You think Israel wants to live with nuclear fallout?

        They're for farther afield.  Iran makes for a lovely target.  Or, as Martin van Creveld so pointedly put it, so do European capitals, should Israel ever feel its existence threatened by them.

        •  Israel's nukes (0+ / 0-)

          The only somewhat documented case (in the book "Eve of Destruction" by  Howard Blum) of Israel seriously considering using its nukes was against Egypt and Syria during the Yom Kippur War. Which negates your first two sentences.

          Iran maybe. Wouldn't put it past Netanyahu. Or Iran towards Israel for that matter. Though possibly a version of MAD between Israel and Iran would make some sense in the same way it wound up making a kind of weird sense between the USA and USSR.

          Targeting European capitals? That's just plain stupid on so many levels.

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          by mole333 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 05:35:57 AM PST

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          •  So Israel is insane enough (0+ / 0-)

            to want to live in a cloud of its own nuclear fallout?

            If that's what you're saying, it's pretty damning.  To Israel.

            •  You might... (0+ / 0-)

              You might want to read the book. If you think it more likely that Israel will find it reasonable to bomb European capitals than neighbors actively engaged (at the time the book covers) of overrunning Israel with the intention of destroying it, then you are pretty crazy.

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              by mole333 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 06:39:16 AM PST

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              •  You against Creveld. (0+ / 0-)

                I'll take Creveld.  It certainly fits in with the "We're too insane to f*ck with" mentality one sees increasingly from Jerusalem.

                •  Well (0+ / 0-)

                  You prefer believing a caricature of Israel rather than the real thing. You quote a theorist. I quote events that already happened for real and cite the book that covers it. You see, consideration of ONE scenario (targeting Egypt and Syria) HAS ALREADY OCCURRED during an actual war. You are citing someone throwing out his own informed opinion about what MIGHT happen someday. And you take the theoretical over the actual.

                  You want to believe in this caricature of Israel as much as Netanyahu wants to believe his own caricature of Iran. I buy neither.

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                  by mole333 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 06:48:21 AM PST

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                  •  A scenario is not an event; (0+ / 0-)

                    in fact, it's a theoretical construct.  Which in the one case you can come up with Israel wasn't quite mad enough to actualize.

                    •  Not an event? (0+ / 0-)

                      You base this without even reading about it. Yet you quote a comment by one person as somehow more significant than high level discussions within the Israeli government at an actual moment in history.

                      In answer to your preference for one person's opinion: an opinion is not even a scenario.

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                      by mole333 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 06:57:28 AM PST

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                      •  If it had been an event, (0+ / 0-)

                        then the nukes would've fallen on Egypt and Syria as per scenario.

                        So you're going to argue that Israel nuked Egypt and Syria?

                        •  Well you seem to be arguing... (0+ / 0-)

                          that Israel nuked European capitals. Or at least using your "logic" regarding my claims.

                          Your claim: Israel is more likely to nuke European capitals than Syria or Egypt. (source: one person's claim about European capitals combined with your own opinion)

                          My claim: there is no evidence that there has ever been any consideration of nuking a European capital by any Israeli government ever, but there are credible claims (and I cited a source which covers actual past events in considerable detail) that Israel DID seriously consider nuking Egypt and Syria.

                          Your response: "So you're going to argue that Israel nuked Egypt and Syria?"

                          Does your position here really make sense to you?

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                          by mole333 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 07:48:19 AM PST

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                          •  you're having trouble (0+ / 0-)

                            with the basic meaning of words such as "event."  Buh bye.

                          •  That didn't address my question (0+ / 0-)

                            You seem to have even more trouble with that since you are considering one person's theoretical opinion more important than an actual discussion within an Israeli government meeting. Now you may not consider a meeting an event (and I admit time does surreal things during many a meeting perhaps making it seem like a dream) but it certainly has more validity in this context than one person's theory.

                            Yet you continue to maintain this position and turn to evasion, insults, and distortions of my views rather than say why you are claiming Israel is more likely to nuke European capitals than its neighbors when only one person has ever said anything about the former but Israel HAS considered the latter during a desperate war.

                            Again, does your position here really make sense to you?

                            FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

                            by mole333 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 07:57:14 AM PST

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