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  •  Because (1+ / 0-)
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    racists dont make good neighbors.  A clue?

    And Israel rejects UN forces on their territory, annexed, disuted but claimed, or otherwise.

    •  So you agree with the UN (0+ / 0-)

      That Zionism = racism?

      If so there is probably not going to be much we can discuss in a fully civil manner about the present conflict without first getting into that.

      As for trusting the UN - if the UN used proportional representation in the Genral Assebbly (like our House of Representatives) it would be one thing. Instead, it is like the Senate; in the GA every country has the same vote. There are a large number of states with small populations that have managed to dominate the conversation in the UN as regards to Israel; why trust your citizens' safety to a group that always seems slanted against you?

      If push came to shove, I am pretty certain Israel would accept NATO troops as peacekeepers but would not welcome the blue helmets. Palestinians might accept NATO troops if Turkey were in the mix (they are not necessarily big fans of the UN themselves AFAIK)

      If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
      If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
      If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

      by A Gutin Daf on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:31:48 PM PST

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      •  I know (1+ / 0-)
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        So many votes in UN with only US, Palau, Israel and sometimes  American Samoa, against the world.  

        •  I am confused (0+ / 0-)

          are you agreeing with me, disagreeing with me, or being snarky?

          Did I misread your comment about racists? I thought you were referring to Israelis as racist.

          If I am misreading you i apologize.

          If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
          If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
          If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

          by A Gutin Daf on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 05:17:02 PM PST

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          •  the zionist movement has evolved, yes (0+ / 0-)

            but there can be no doubt its philosophy was rooted in racism. theodor hertzl viewed arabs as little more than animals and pretended the holy land was a place without a people, as though no one lived there.  which, arabs being animals and all, i suppose no "people" did.

            Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

            by Cedwyn on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 06:11:19 AM PST

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            •  Was Herzl significantly different (0+ / 0-)

              from other Europeans of his day on these matters?

              Also, just because the person who came up with parts of the ideology may have been racist does not mean that the ideology itself was automatically rooted in racism.

              I would be interested in any sources you would share in making this argument.

              If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
              If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
              If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

              by A Gutin Daf on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:56:42 AM PST

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              •  read the collected works of hertzl (0+ / 0-)

                there are heaps of his letters out there to be read.  lots of info on stern gang and irgun, too.

                Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

                by Cedwyn on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:12:12 PM PST

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                •  OK, please recommend one (0+ / 0-)

                  Searching through heaps is not something I can do right now. I assume you have read them so would be able to point me to a text that demonstrates how the philosophy of Zionism (which Herzl provided in part, but not in whole) was rooted in racism.

                  Thanks.

                  If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
                  If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
                  If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

                  by A Gutin Daf on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:53:03 PM PST

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