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  •  Wow, *you* are out of touch. (0+ / 0-)

    First of all, Labor hardly exists any more.  (Meretz isn't even the sound of one hand clapping.)  Kadima is still trying to figure out why it exists, since its separation from Likud had little to do with actual policies and everything to do with personality.

    As for Likud, you may want to note that although it "split in two not too long ago," it just merged with Evet's party.

    One more time: The only man in Israel Bibi fears is Evet, who will be the next PM.  Whether come January or after another Bibi term (my more likely scenario) is all that matters.

    The Israeli Right is doing just fine.  How could it not?  There's no longer an Israeli Left to speak of (something Israel has in common with just about every Western state, of course).

    •  Funny (0+ / 0-)

      You are arguing my exact point. As I said REPEATEDLY the opposition in Israel is in disarray. There is no sane leadership option because the opposition is weak and/or corrupt, as I said repeatedly. That leaves the right wing extremists as the only effective option.

      And you foam at the mouth to argue with me and your basis for disagreeing? Apparently you disagree with me because the main opposition either barely exists or can't figure out why it exists...which was my exact point.

      So why are you disagreeing with me? It is a fact that a large majority of Israelis (and Palestinians) support Peace. It is a fact that both Israel and Gaza are run by war mongering idiots. Why? As I have repeatedly said it is because both Israel and the Palestinians have no viable sane leadership at the moment and from what I can tell none developing. You may want to claim all of Israel wants war but that is not factually correct.

      FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

      by mole333 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 06:53:53 AM PST

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      •  As far as I can tell (0+ / 0-)

        Bibi is quite sane.  (I don't understand Hamas well enough to render judgment there.)  And that is precisely the tragedy: that his "insanity," just like Sharon's before him, is actually a manifestation of quite cunning calculation.

        Whereby the only question is whether Bibi can hold off Evet.  Without a ground war he might find that difficult, since it doesn't seem likely that anything less will make the Israeli majority happy (assuming, of course, that Hamas doesn't miraculously surrender or commit mass suicide).

        Insanity is an out -- an exculpation.  Stop giving Bibi outs.  

        •  I was almost with you there... (0+ / 0-)

          You were making sense there (not sure I 100% agree but mostly) up until your last sentence which is dumb. I never gave Netanyahu an out. I was calling him a war monger, extremist and (his policies though I admit that was just implied) insane. He is a disaster.

          The rest of what you say fits and the comparison with Sharon is apt. I just wish the Palestinians would stop falling into the traps set by the likes of Sharon and Netanyahu. The current situation is less clear cut but had the Palestinians just laughed at Sharon and called him a coward for requiring an escort at a tourist site in what he claims as his own country, Sharon would never have won the election. Instead they gave him exactly what he needed.

          FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

          by mole333 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 07:52:58 AM PST

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          •  I suppose it's all nice (0+ / 0-)

            to sit in a comfy chair at the computer and expect Palestinians to behave with sovereign composure every time someone like Arik or Bibi baits them (I will call this "Why can't they behave more like Iranians when we shoot down their passenger aircraft, arm the MEQ, and murder their scientists?"), but traumatized and, quite frankly, justifiably hopeless people sometimes take the bait.  Especially if you're Hamas, it seems; Abbas gets paid good money to be Israel's puppet and so behaves much better, except when he starts talking about the UN, which I suspect he does mostly in a (probably vain) effort to lift the lid of the steaming kettle underneath him a bit.  But I imagine Israel will "take care" of the Abbas "problem" soon enough.

            •  Doesn't change the fact... (0+ / 0-)

              Doesn't change the fact that Sharon and Netanyahu would have had little chance of success without the Palestinian violence that they themselves worked hard to elicit. Likud and Hamas have a nice racket going keeping eachother in power. I don't think either would be anywhere near as strong without the other or the equivalent.

              FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

              by mole333 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 08:25:25 AM PST

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              •  and as I alluded to earlier (0+ / 0-)

                Abbas's reward for not playing in that racket has been, to date, bupkis.  Except, I suppose, in terms of his Swiss bank accounts.

                •  True (0+ / 0-)

                  Which I also have alluded to (though I simply referred to the West Bank and I think it was in response to someone else). It also is what I was referring to when I said BOTH Israel AND the Palestinians have a leadership vacuum on the side of sane policy (early I merely said "sanity"). Again, Hamas and Likud have their racket going, it is unpopular on both sides, but the alternatives on both sides are weak and/or corrupt so the racket continues. Again, what is needed is Israel and/or (preferably and) Palestine to develop effective leadership in opposition to Likud and Hamas, respectively.

                  FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

                  by mole333 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 08:34:23 AM PST

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