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  •  That is not (6+ / 0-)

    That is not what has happened in France at all. That rhetoric has been around for twenty years (Chirac's infamous speech in 1991 where he bemoaned French families having to deal with the "noise and smell" of their immigrant families got him SEVERE blowback) except that now the sensitivity to it has steadily decreased. Things like this are increasingly common on the French Right and the Left is taking to shrugging them off because they can't spend all their time chasing every offensive remark anymore. People who are almost openly xenophobic have been granted jobs as pundits and spouting that stuff everyday without anyone treating it any differently than any other political argument. I am afraid this is the opposite of what you surmise will happen.

    And on the final point the Tea Party may have lost them seats but if a Republican is elected President in 2016, he will be much much much to the right of Bush because the Overton window has moved. That's the concern I am expressing. Some ideas that were absurd five years ago are now mainstream in the GOP. I would be upset to see the same happening to the UMP : and it already has. Both Chirac and Sarkozy decried as shocking and extremist any suggestion that were made by the FN to make French citizenship a blood right instead of granting it automatically to whoever was born here.
    Fillon, the moderate in the race, proposed last month to undo the local version of the 14th amendment and nobody batted an eyebrow. Careful what you wish for. Short-term electoral gains or long-term policy losses?

    •  *of their immigrant neighbours (n/t) (0+ / 0-)
    •  I am not sure we are disagreeing here. Cope to me (0+ / 0-)

      is a brutal truth but the centrists or moderates who would vote for him and a coalition that would implement far right policies cannot claim they did not know what they were bargaining for. A Fillon on the other hand is more subtle, a wolf in sheep's clothing that can con his way into power. A Mitt Romney 2002 is an example, had it not been for a democratic legislature in Massachusetts, his true impact on policy would have been important. People bought his moderate republican appeal, the presidential primaries with openly far right activists revealed him to be malleable and dangerous.

      "Aux ames bien nees, la valeur n'attend point le nombre des annees" Pierre Corneille.

      by Patate on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 05:39:43 PM PST

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      •  Fillon is a rightist (1+ / 0-)
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        And I can see him sometimes indulging the rabidly anti-Muslim anti-immigrant part of the base but he very very clearly would not make it a focus of his campaigns or his governing and would not add that same kind of language which only serves to heighten the already high tensions within French society. He infamously strongly pushed back behind-the-scenes against Sarkozy's xenophobic populist "Grenoble" speech in 2010. His instincts are very much old-French-Right on this whereas Sarkozy and Copé are very uninhibited about those.

    •  May I bother you to ask what the French (0+ / 0-)

      equivalent to the 14th amendment is?

      •  Simply (2+ / 0-)
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        Th rule that being born on French soil automatically gives you a birthright to French citizenship instead of making a bloodline kind of deal like in Germany.
        It is the same debate that some of the anti-immigration activists have here with the 14th amendment that specifies the same rule for the US.

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