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  •  EPA must lead the way... (2+ / 0-)
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    Laconic Lib, DawnN

    There is so much more the agency could be doing, without any need to involve the Congress -- and any deal, be it cap and trade or a carbon tax, which includes a poison pill that undercuts EPA's regulatory and negotiating authority in this area must be rejected. That kind of compromise would be worse than no deal at all.

    I expect to write a diary on this before the end of the year, as I crystallize my ideas, but I'll preview it by saying I agree with everything you've said here. You've raised a lot of points that a lot of people might not realize are in play here. A carbon tax would be a decent policy, if it includes some form of rebate to rate-payers, to avoid the cost-shifting and regressive impacts that could happen. However, the GOP is game to use such legislation to pull the rug out from under the EPA. A trojan horse if there ever was one.

    If the President is fully committed to making something happen here, and if he can find foreign partners, there is so much that he can do, without having to worry about GOP obstructionism. He shouldn't surrender those authorities he has now.

    Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

    by FischFry on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 08:18:51 PM PST

    •  U.S. EPA Already Acted to Control Methane (1+ / 0-)
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      in the natural gas exploration and production industry be enacting final rules earlier this year for National Emission Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants (NESHAPs) under the Federal Clean Air Act.   These rules are definitive and fully effective methane emission control rules for the natural gas exploration and production industry.

      Methane emission control rules binding on natural gas well completion and production operations have been in effect for many years in several state oil and gas programs.

      If you are doing research on energy and environment and you want scientific credibility for your analysis, it is quite important that you avoid contaminating your review with junk science from Gasland and Josh Fox who have pwned the environmental movement with his bullXXXX psychodrama junk science movie.

      •  What about pig, poultry etc farms? (0+ / 0-)

        why is pig poop still pumped into ponds?

        Digesters, farms can use methane to generate power, sure thats Co2, but is it wise to let the methane go free?

        FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 08:40:54 PM PST

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        •  Not much carbon is aqueous CAFO waste (1+ / 0-)
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          Roger Fox

          Liquid CAFO waste is typically less than about 7-8% solids.  It will produce gas but not that much.   At most CAFOs there is a great deal of effort taken to separate out solids from wastewater as part of the nutrient management system.   The solids are returned to the soil as part of the nutrient management system.

          Cold weather is also an impediment to bio-methane production.

    •  carbon tax initial contraction of economy (0+ / 0-)

      see my other comment upthread.

      I agree, a carbon tax does have down sides, but ones we can mitigate fairly easily.

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 08:42:59 PM PST

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    •  A carbon tax would discriminately favor tar sands (1+ / 0-)
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      Roger Fox

      compared to conventional oil and crude.   A carbon tax is imposed at the point of consumption.   The tax is based on
      the amount of carbon in the product and not the total carbon emission necessary to produce the product.  

      This means that a carbon tax on the point of sale would impose the same taxation on a gallon of gasoline produced from conventional crude as a gallon of gasoline produced from tar sands crude, even if the gasoline from tar sands crude caused a greater greenhouse gas release from processing prior to distribution to consumers.

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