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  •  i appreciate seeing this - thanks. (0+ / 0-)

    maybe i have mistaken you.... however, you'd really have to apologize for your personal slams against me with your buds.

    Romney in a landslide!

    by jj24 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:59:20 AM PST

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    •  You have not mistaken me (0+ / 0-)

      I find your rhetoric out of bounds; you are correct to note that. If you don't know why, we can discuss it at some point, if you are genuinely and truly confused by this -- but this is not all about you, this geopolitical and historic situation has nothing to do with your fee-fees when people speak out about others promoting bigoted intolerance, period.

      Your mistake is thinking I don't care about ALL bigotry and ALL racism: I do. Deeply. It is central to the notion of an equal, Democratic, socially Progressive society.

      •  i am disappointed by it. (0+ / 0-)

        confused?  not so much.

        i'm not a policy analyst, a professional poster, not pro-palestinian, or an I/P expert, or jewish.  i'm 10 yrs sober so really took offense to your drug comment.  i've worked directly for the kerry, obama08/obama12 campaigns, and although i have no reason to demonize Ron Paul, I'm no supporter.  it's ridiculous i should even have to say that here of all places.

        what i am is a liberal, wondering about my country's long-term support of another who's oppressing, occupying, and killing its political enemies.  i absolutely get to say that, and make my decisions accordingly - the price of admission shouldn't be that i'm labeled a bigot, just because it's Israel who's doing the killing.

        Israel's actions are wrong toward Palestinians - and others (i.e., lebanon).  that's all i ever said, and mean to say.  and no, i can't understand how a people who were so oppressed, would turn around and be the continual oppressors.  it's the no-brainer, first question anyone would ask when they get up to speed on modern Isreali foreign policy.  do you actually have an answer?  or, lacking an answer, would you just like to blast me?  is the world really divided into 2 types of people - israel apologists and anti-semites?  of course, i reject the notion, but you'd think it's the case here.  and if this is the "rhetoric" you don't like, you might back down on forcing everyone who doesn't agree with you into the bigot camp.  and as much as you don't like my "rhetoric," you will survive.  Some Palestinians today, will not.

        here's a discussion to have: "Israel's right because..." or "they're not oppressing, and here's why..." but i haven't seen this.  why isn't a real discussion being had by people like you, who believe they ARE the experts in the room?

        Romney in a landslide!

        by jj24 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:05:38 AM PST

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        •  I can't make that argument because (0+ / 0-)

          I am pro two-state solution and not pro-Israel. I don't think Israel is "right." I think the situation is terrible. I also think the Government tends to act outside of the support of most Israeli citizens, just like how some RW government does outside of the U.S. I am, however, Jewish and take offense to anti-semitism, personally. I equally am disgusted and disturbed by anti-Palestinian speech, but their Governing body is similarly working outside of their interests (at least Hamas is, in my humble opinion). From a Sociological standpoint, this is a powderkeg that blows again and again. Therefore, some solution must be found, and soon, and the U.S. and U.N. are currently negotiating toward that end in Gaza.

          Real discussions are being had every day here, all over this site.

          The rest of your statement is deeply offensive in parts, and I won't highlight which because it would be evident to most readers that this comment has some deeply and specifically troubling statements that are hurtful and divisive. Thus I refrain from further commentary with you.

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