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  •  here's the problem: people like me don't (1+ / 0-)
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    have these discussions on a daily basis.  we're not disinformationists.  we're not propagandists.  we're just - people with thoughts and questions.  we don't gravitate to every I/P diary with the goal of shutting down conversation.

    to make nazi germany a sacrosanct, hallowed horror is the most perverted aspect of the current propaganda onslaught.  there have been literally millions of people, killed systematically by their own regimes, that would shout out to you if they could; and millions of their descendants to prove the pristinely unique horror of jewish suffering an incredibly insulting offense.

    people should not be bullied from voicing disapproval with the israeli government's killing and systematic oppression of other peoples, by way of labeling as anti-semitic by propagandists.  THAT has to be the first brick to topple, in my opinion, for meaningful debate.

    furious?  i'm furious that - even as palestinians are losing their homes, families and even lives, the main concern here is a couple bully's personal feelings, which determine whether or not we can talk about it.

    do you realize someone on this thread told me, that if/when israel depletes 70% of palestinians - THEN they would admit it's similar.  are you kidding me??  not to mention, the accusations of me personally ... no.  these landmines are designed to keep the discussion from taking place.  this needs to change.

    Romney in a landslide!

    by jj24 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:38:25 AM PST

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    •  I can see you're not shutting down conversation; (1+ / 0-)
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      I just think you're caught up in a strong emotional reaction, and some of your thinking and arguing is very fuzzy.

      Still, I respect that you're attempting to debate reasonably. I know it can be very disconcerting when you feel that several posters are attacking you at once.

      I don't have time now to address all the points in your comment. I'll try to stop in again later.

      "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

      by Brecht on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:37:02 AM PST

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      •  wow - thanks. (0+ / 0-)

        i couldn't bear to read your response earlier, b/c it was getting so bad.  i appreciate your taking the time to listen!!  thank you.  you are correct, i am trying to debate reasonably, without the attacks.

        calling my arguments "emotional" and "fuzzy" - somewhat disparaging, but what the hell.  nothing compared to others lol.  

        Romney in a landslide!

        by jj24 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 02:29:05 PM PST

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