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  •  myth of free contraception is up there with... (7+ / 0-) public parks, free roads, free public education, free electrical grid, free libraries, free police force, free fire department.

    •  Uh ... no it's not. (1+ / 0-)
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      Those things are provided free.

      •  Taxes? eom (3+ / 0-)
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        •  Taxes pay for them. (2+ / 0-)
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          They are then provided free to all, not just to those who paid taxes.  That is what taxes are for.

          Contraceptives covered by insurance do not work that way.  Insurance is not paid for by taxes.

          •  But, they are paid for by taxes. They are not (0+ / 0-)

            free regardless of who uses public services and facilities.

            •  Are you serious here, or just quibbling? (0+ / 0-)

              Because I'm honestly not sure how to make this clearer.

              Things that are paid for by taxes are then available to all.

              Things that are paid for by insurance are then available only to people who have purchased insurance.

              It is therefore false to equate "the myth of free contraception" with "free public parks, free roads, free public education" et cetera, when the latter is paid for by taxes and the former is paid for by insurance.

              If your objection is to the use of the word "free" to describe things that are paid for by people who are not necessarily the people who use them, then I'm afraid you're in the wrong argument.

              •  Not exactly -- whether an insurance "pool" is (1+ / 0-)
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                paid privately or by taxes --- everyone paying in does not necessarily use all the services.  So everyone IS paying for services used by others.

                Even if I never crash, my car insurance rates are still determined by actuarial data on probabilities of OTHER PEOPLE crashing in my county.  

                I pay for the gluttanous/smoking/drinking caused heart bypass surgery of strangers --- built into health insurance rates.   I don't get to make laws to  outlaw their self inflicted problems.  

                Once you understand that we all swim in a "risk pool" where we pay for  other people's choices ----- it is easier to see clearly that anti-contraceptive campaigns are simply war on women bigotry.

                Shall we allow Mormon employers to refuse insurance which includes cancer treatment --- because their religion forbids smoking and some cancers are caused by smoking?  

                Single payer would stop a lot of the stupid.  We all pay more for our hospital care because they must treat the uninsured anyway.

                De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

                by Neon Mama on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 02:01:45 PM PST

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      •  Not so long as I pay taxes (4+ / 0-)
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        The money to maintain those things does not come out of thin air.  Governments get money by assessing the citizens for taxes, fees, and so on.  

        I must have two license plates on my car, and pay $75 every year for a sticker.  That helps pay for state and municipal roads, snow removal, sidewalk repair and so on.  So do some of the gasoline taxes.

        We pay sales taxes.  We pay property taxes.  We have an extra tax to pay for the fancy stadium the Brewers had to have, even though Miller's name is on it.  We have city taxes of various kinds.  I pay for my electrical and water service, my garbage and recycling collection, my sewers.  

        Scott Walker decimated our public park system, once a jewel admired across the country, because he took the money WE PAID in taxes and fees for its maintenance, and did ghods know what with it.  

        We don't do a good enough job in this country of making it very clear exactly what our taxes pay for in our own towns, cities and neighborhoods.  

        "There isn't a way things should be. There's just what happens, and what we do." — Terry Pratchett (A Hat Full of Sky)

        by stormicats on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 08:02:49 AM PST

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      •  this is snark, right... (0+ / 0-)

        "Okay, fine...fer sure, fer sure"

        by tinfoilhat on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 08:18:10 AM PST

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