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  •  You should really do some reading (4+ / 0-)

    Start with the Bolivian water war.

    Naomi Klein is one of the most credible and relevant progressive writers on the planet.

    "Mitt who? That's an odd name. Like an oven mitt, you mean? Oh, yeah, I've got one of those. Used it at the Atlas Society BBQ last summer when I was flipping ribs."

    by Richard Cranium on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:15 AM PST

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    •  She has a tendency (0+ / 0-)

      to over state her case rather considerably, to the point of distortion.  

      What she shows is a general sense of disdain for any solution involving the private sector, which may or may not be justified.  Now, I'm not going to defend every project the World Bank has done, but I'm not so foolish as to suggest that the World Bank is the second coming of Goldman Sachs either.  WB has their approach, whic has varied over time, but their mission is still alleviating poverty, not lining Wall Streeter's pockets.  They take on projects that the private sector (your REAL 1%ers) will not.  That's why they exist in fact.  You'll remember that the World Bank has been in this business for over 60 years and has had a lot of different phases and approaches, but a lot of progressive thinking has derived from the World Bank itself mulling over its own mistakes in the past. Now, clearly there's disagreement within the development community about how the WB has gone about its business, but that's a far cry from saying that they are out to stick it to the world's poor.

      As it turns out, I'm very familiar with the Bolivian water wars and, seemingly, rather a broader range of their activities than most here, which may be why I take Wolf's conclusions with some grains of salt, since I have other experience to compare it to.  So, being familiar with the organization, and the good and bad of it, I'm going to place a big question mark next to the name of those who go about painting the WB as some kind of horrible villain.  Clearly, there's a ton of misinformation floating around out there.  For example, our very own diarist was railing on the WB for funding coal projects.  Problem?  They aren't funding coal projects anymore.  Case in point.

      So, I'm going to stick with my well earned skepticism here, thanks

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:10:57 AM PST

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      •  Naomi Klein, not Naomi Wolf (2+ / 0-)
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        Two completely different writers.

        WB has their approach, whic has varied over time, but their mission is still alleviating poverty, not lining Wall Streeter's pockets.  They take on projects that the private sector (your REAL 1%ers) will not.
        That is not true - or at best, a half truth.  WB will take on projects if the end result is privatization of the public service being funded.

        And your argument really falls apart (or fell apart, as the case may be) the day that George W. Bush tapped Paul Wolfowitz to head the World Bank.  Quite a legacy for ol' Paul, there, if you so care to read.

        With that, I'm going to back out of this discussion.

        "Mitt who? That's an odd name. Like an oven mitt, you mean? Oh, yeah, I've got one of those. Used it at the Atlas Society BBQ last summer when I was flipping ribs."

        by Richard Cranium on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:27:01 AM PST

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        •  Of course (0+ / 0-)

          Can't have anyone challenging your world view right?

          and of course Dr. Kim is the president now.  However, if you were familiar with the organization and had worked with them in the past, you'd realize that it's a pretty significantly large organization that does a fairly wide range of activities, many, many of which are not the giant mega projects I think you are complaining about.  

          I direct you to look at the WB website for the projects they do, because if you read them, you'll notice that a very large proportion do not involve any private entitites whatsoever.  I did find a local water development project in Vietnam that involves local private entities alongside government agencies.  There's a Climate Change adaptation program in NIcaragua that  is run by the Department of Natural Resources developing awareness of vegetation management and other local practices.  No Wall Street involvement there.  The list goes on and on and on.  I doubt your view of the institution would last long if you spent time actually reading the reports and reviews that the World Bank actually conducts.  There are literally thousands worldwide. They can be found here

          And that's not even getting started on the basic research and data collection the bank does  I'm sure there's some way to contort how counting poor people is good for the 1%, but I'm at a loss to see what it is.

          Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

          by Mindful Nature on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:41:04 AM PST

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