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  •  All sorts of ways to minimize the flaws (1+ / 0-)
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    in that moldy old document hacked together by dead white rich men back when over half the country had slaves, not all of which require amendments or even laws. For all the shit he unfairly gets from some lefties for supposedly wanting the US to be ruled by a monarch (which he did, but didn't aggressively advocate for and wisely abandoned), of all the founders I think that Hamilton, the one true outsider, had the best vision for the US political system. No states, one set of laws, and slavery to be ended soon after ratification.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 09:31:44 AM PST

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    •  Another reason Republicans hate the French? (1+ / 0-)
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      I admit to being surprized and even puzzled when I recently learned France does not have any official regional governments. It's all a federal system. Sure, they have provinces and regions but they are more cultural divisions not political ones.

      I have to admit my brain ground to a halt at first. "How can that work?" was my American response. I got over it quickly but ingrained impression run deep.

      I miles away from approaching expert on the Founding Fathers, but Hamilton does seem to be the biggest outside the box thinker. But perhaps one of the worst practical politicians. Well, every time needs someone to be there living ahead of it.

      •  Actually, he was an amazingly good politician (1+ / 0-)
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        in that he got most of his major reforms passed by a hostile congress, by being a shrewd, reality-based negotiator and advocate. But Jefferson eventually caught up and out-maneuvered him, helped by Hamilton's own indiscretions.

        Paine was probably even more radical than Hamilton, but had no real power or patron, unlike Hamilton, and wasn't a practical person, dying in poverty and in disrepute. Of course, he didn't let himself get shot by a scoundrel.

        And yes, France is based on centralized administration, having "departments" instead of states that all report back to Paris. Efficient and effective in some ways, not so much in others. But had it adopted the American political system, it would likely have been ripped apart by civil war. It almost was, as it is.

        Then again, Louisiana is modeled on the French system. Not exactly a poster child for good governance. So take that as some sort of lesson.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 10:11:43 AM PST

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        •  No Hamilton authority I (1+ / 0-)
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          He was of course a politician for the ages, considering he accomplished so much starting where he did in life. I should have said 'abrasive' or something along those lines. And I mean that only to reflect my layman impressions.  

          Good and interesting points all.

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